Log:The Madou Puyo Fever Wars: SUN 24/7 (Meta, no ontology)

== September 9th 2012 == 
 [12:54:53] <Keiji> The Madou Puyo Fever Wars: SUN 24/7 <-- how to reference every Puyo game in an epic title
 [12:55:10] <Chao> omg
 [12:55:32] <Keiji> yep
 [12:55:43] <Keiji> opp is just Puyo
 [12:55:45] <Keiji> 2 is in there
 [12:55:47] <Keiji> 3 is SUN
 [12:55:49] <Keiji> 4 is in there
 [12:55:51] <Keiji> Fever is there
 [12:55:54] <Keiji> Fever 2 is Fever and 2
 [12:55:57] <Keiji> 7 is 7
 [12:56:04] <Chao> And also 24/7
 [12:56:04] <Keiji> Wars is obvious
 [12:56:08] <Keiji> yes
 [12:56:10] <Keiji> also
 [12:56:14] <Keiji> Madou Monogatari
 [12:56:18] <Chao> Yep
 [12:56:43] <Keiji> and even 123, which is the origin of the SUN 24 thing, I actually started with 123, rhymed the 1 to SUN, and then thought well we already have 3 so let's make it 4.
 [12:56:48] <Keiji> /obscure
 [12:56:58] <Chao> :o
 [12:59:09] <Keiji> This game would be about all the Compile Worlds fusing together and everyone having an epic Tournament
 [12:59:36] <Keiji> Where the SUN shines 24 hours a day 7 days a week because they made the planet's spin match its orbit
 [12:59:56] <Chao> omg lmao
 [13:00:01] <Keiji> In fact
 [13:00:04] <Keiji> let's just call our game that
 [13:00:13] <Keiji> because Compile Worlds is confusing and Compile Worlds: The Game makes you lose
 [13:00:24] <Chao> yeah lol
 [13:00:34] <Keiji> plus it's epic
 [13:00:41] <Keiji> also it sorts out the story
 [13:00:42] <Keiji> completely
 [13:01:55] <Keiji> doesn't it?
 [13:02:00] <Chao> Yeah
 [13:02:16] <Keiji> you can still have backstories on each world
 [13:02:23] <Chao> Well right
 [13:02:35] <Keiji> and the special gimmick will be the ability to control how fused they are
 [13:02:45] <Chao> Because obviously Puyo Wars and Fever 2 have to happen before the game
 [13:03:08] <Keiji> from being entirely separate universes, to requiring epic space travel, to requiring sea/air travel, to being right next to each other
 [13:03:24] <Keiji> The Neptune better make a cameo too.
 [13:03:30] <Keiji> complete with Nanako
 [13:03:33] <Keiji> :D
 [13:04:14] <Chao> Maybe The Neptune is where Nanako comes from and she just has to make her research facility in Primp for plot purposes
 [13:04:21] <Keiji> Yep
 [13:04:22] <Keiji> Exactly.#
 [13:04:40] <Keiji> Well, not in Primp but in the fused world of worlds
 [13:06:01] <Chao> So would the Wars world be called the Wars World or Gaias
 [13:07:36] <Keiji> honestly I think each World should be given a name
 [13:07:50] <Keiji> We have Gaias, Primp, and Neptune :I
 [13:08:03] <Chao> and (the) Abyss
 [13:08:23] <Keiji> that doesn't count, since it's not a source world
 [13:08:26] <Chao> So we still need names for the Madou world and the Puyo 7 world
 [13:08:36] <Keiji> hmm
 [13:08:43] <Keiji> The Abyss wouldn't get merged
 [13:08:58] <Keiji> But yeah we need names for those
 [13:09:02] <Keiji> Are there any clues of official names?
 [13:09:31] <Chao> Idk about the Madou World, but Puyo 7 is heavily based on the real world; particularly Japan and the seven wonders of the world
 [13:10:00] <Keiji> Maybe they base it off a named real place?
 [13:10:08] <Keiji> (more specific than "Japan")
 [13:11:35] <Keiji> Explanation for Puyo in "Japan" in MPFW: It's the effects of the other worlds as they begin to merge~
 [13:12:08] <Chao> Maybe we could call it "Suzuri" since the "Suzurian School/Shopping district" is the main location where the events of Puyo 7 take place
 [13:12:18] <Keiji> Yes plz
 [13:12:28] <Keiji> So that leaves only Madou world
 [13:13:04] <Keiji> If we're including the Neptune, should we call Lagnus' homeworld Saturn? :P (Not that that's the Madou  world)]
 [13:13:23] <Chao> Sure. Not like it has an official name anyway and Saturn is cool
 [13:13:51] <Keiji> <s>then MAdou is MArs</s>
 [13:14:44] <Chao> Madou world should be something unimaginative since Compile saved all their good names for Puyo Wars lmao
 [13:15:30] <Keiji> Apparently Madou means Puzzle
 [13:15:52] <Keiji> It also means evil, and "mara realm" (whatever that is), and coral
 [13:16:15] <Keiji> Let me see what the kanji are...
 [13:17:05] <Keiji> Wikipedia says Sorcery
 [13:17:24] <Chao> Well the title literally means "Story of Sorcery"
 [13:17:30] <Keiji> yes that's what i meant
 [13:17:56] <Keiji> so if we have
 [13:18:08] <Keiji> Mars Neptune and Saturn, and Gaias Primp and Suzuri
 [13:18:15] <Keiji> I wonder if we can give planet names to the latter three :P
 [13:18:27] <Keiji> Suzuri would obviously be Earth
 [13:19:30] <Keiji> If we ignore Mercury, Uranus and Pluto that leaves...
 [13:19:42] <Keiji> Venus and Jupiter
 [13:19:48] <Keiji> >Jupiter
 [13:19:49] <Keiji> lol
 [13:19:55] <Chao> yeah :y
 [13:20:49] <Keiji> Maybe it would be better to have Madou world as Venus (closer to the SUN!) and Gaias as Mars
 [13:21:02] <Keiji> Leaving Primp as Jupiter, which is surprisingly fitting
 [13:21:09] <Keiji> Ecolo etc.
 [13:21:16] <Chao> lawl
 [13:21:37] <Chao> or maybe Madou should just be named Madou because it's totally original
 [13:21:41] <Chao> *shot*
 [13:21:45] <Keiji> Yes, I like Madou=Venus Gaias=Mars better than Madou=Mars Gaias=Venus
 [13:21:47] <Keiji> also
 [13:21:52] <Keiji> theme naming, duh :P
 [13:22:07] <Keiji> So as well as the six planets that combine to form one
 [13:22:18] <Keiji> you have Whitespace (white) and the Abyss (black)
 [13:22:47] <Keiji> Which have their interesting connections, e.g. Marcus sending Ekoro's clones from the Abyss into Whitespace to turn them into spiders
 [13:23:06] <Keiji> If we're going colors
 [13:23:09] <Keiji> Earth=Green obviously
 [13:23:11] <Keiji> Neptune=Blue
 [13:23:14] <Keiji> Venus=Yellow
 [13:23:21] <Keiji> Mars=Red
 [13:23:25] <Keiji> Jupiter=Purple
 [13:23:32] <Keiji> Saturn=???
 [13:23:37] <Chao> Orange
 [13:23:40] <Keiji> Yep.
 [13:23:40] <Chao> lol
 [13:23:56] <Keiji> I was gonna say Orange, but I wanted to hype it.
 [13:25:19] <Keiji> To spread the hues out a bit better, it would be a deep Green, a light Blue, a deep Purple, a dark Red, a bright Orange... and a normal Yellow. Because Yellow=Madou=Unimaginative=Normal
 [13:25:20] <Keiji> :P
 [13:26:13] <Keiji> By hues, the planets go Mars-Saturn-Venus-Earth-Neptune-Jupiter... or 4-6-2-3-7-5
 [13:26:51] <Keiji> Not particularly patternful.
 [13:26:57] <Keiji> It doesn't even match the magic Sonic 1 Beta pattern.
 [13:27:27] <Chao> So does the game terminate at SHAME's ending then? Because the Gathering in the RP assumed the planets weren't all merged and that Ecolo could destroy them individually.
 [13:27:40] <Keiji> No, I told you, you can control the merginess.
 [13:27:52] <Chao> oh
 [13:27:57] <Chao> rihgt
 [13:28:17] <Keiji> Because that has to do with metatime
 [13:28:26] <Keiji> And Twos can control that
 [13:28:41] <Chao> Fake Arle :3
 [13:28:47] <Keiji> Yes.
 [13:28:50] <Keiji> SHE UNMERGES THE PLANETS.
 [13:28:57] <Keiji> Before destroying them.
 [13:29:04] <Chao> "The planets are merged? Too bad. I'll just be unmerge these now k thnx bai"
 [13:29:07] <Keiji> LOL
 [13:29:17] <Keiji> oh yeah
 [13:29:21] <Keiji> that's a great idea btw
 [13:29:23] <Keiji> I was thinking
 [13:29:30] <Keiji> that you'd unlock this ability somehow
 [13:29:35] <Keiji> but now it's so obvious
 [13:29:39] <Keiji> at the end of the game
 [13:29:53] <Keiji> when "Fake" Arle is confronted by Eldora
 [13:30:05] <Keiji> YOU GET TO BE "FAKE" ARLE.
 [13:30:13] <Chao> :D
 [13:30:27] <Keiji> And what with all the Arle recolors, for Doppel, Dark, Zeta and "Fake"
 [13:31:01] <Keiji> And going on how I mentioned the "perfect" "canon" Arle vs "hopeless" "fake" Arle
 [13:31:11] <Keiji> After they combine?
 [13:31:18] <Keiji> Ultimate Arle, complete with Hyper Sonic palette cycle.s
 [13:31:20] <Keiji> *cycles.
 [13:31:51] <Chao> Satan: Ooooh, rainbow Arle to go with her DIAMONDS
 [13:32:10] <Keiji> ARLE GOT ALL PLANETARY HEARTS
 [13:32:15] <Keiji> NOW ARLE CAN BECOME ULTIMATE ARLE
 [13:32:37] <Chao> Ultimate Arle and Red Amitie
 [13:32:39] <Chao> epic duo
 [13:32:47] <Keiji> wat
 [13:33:02] <Keiji> oh yeah
 [13:33:09] <Keiji> There was that Omega/Red Amitie thing wasn't there
 [13:33:40] <Keiji> ISTR Omega dumped half the Ones powers into Red Amitie
 [13:33:42] <Chao> All the costumes from 20th besides Strange Klug and Human Ecolo are all super forms in CW
 [13:33:45] <Keiji> Who got the other half of the powers?
 [13:33:59] <Keiji> I don't remember, somehow
 [13:34:14] <Chao> Idk who got the other half if Amitie only got half of them
 [13:34:18] <Keiji> Carby!Satan is never super form
 [13:34:22] <Keiji> it's too silly
 [13:34:38] <Chao> I thought everybody but Eltia got demoted after SHAME and Amitie and Omega were the only ones left
 [13:34:38] <Keiji> He deserves a much better super form
 [13:34:47] <Keiji> Ah
 [13:34:51] <Keiji> Omega must have been the other half then
 [13:34:55] <Keiji> Yes that makes sense
 [13:35:15] <Keiji> she absorbed Zeta (and other clones?) and made Amitie destroy the Orb and absorb everyone in it
 [13:35:35] <Keiji> However...
 [13:35:40] <Keiji> Can we do a massive retcon?
 [13:35:46] <Keiji> Replace Omega
 [13:35:48] <Keiji> with Theta./
 [13:35:56] <Chao> I thought there was gonna be some retconning going around anyway
 [13:35:57] <Keiji> Then you get Arle-Amitie-Ringo.
 [13:36:03] <Chao> Yes good
 [13:36:15] <Chao> And I guess Daichi with Neo Angol (if that even counts)
 [13:36:31] <Keiji> Neo Angol is disturbingly ugly
 [13:36:39] <Keiji> Original Angol is bettter
 [13:36:40] <Keiji> -t
 [13:36:44] <Chao> ahfjkahsg
 [13:36:47] <Keiji> ?
 [13:36:55] <Chao> That's just his Synthetic Biology form
 [13:37:05] <Chao> Angol's final boss form isn't pretty either
 [13:37:10] <Keiji> Hm, true
 [13:37:34] <Keiji> Are you saying there should be one ultimate for each planet?
 [13:38:30] <Chao> There can be. Arle-Amitie-Ringo is good enough, but we could also make a Daichi and an original character ultimate for period 5
 [13:38:50] <Keiji> Well, silly
 [13:39:06] <Keiji> Eldora is way more ultimate candidate than Daichi or Angol.
 [13:39:26] <Keiji> But perhaps Kanon should be the one who gets ultimate form
 [13:39:35] <Chao> Loli!Kanon
 [13:39:40] <Keiji> Yes
 [13:39:41] <Keiji> We hardly ever see her power after all
 [13:39:48] <Keiji> Hidden powers are always the most powerful
 [13:40:38] <Keiji> Lagnus deserves an Ultimate form, of Saturn obviously
 [13:40:46] <Chao> Yes pls
 [13:40:51] <Keiji> Also, of course, we need some way to prevent Saturn's destruction.
 [13:41:18] <Keiji> And it goes without saying that Nanako gets an ultimate form. :P
 [13:41:31] <Chao> Perhaps at the end, Eldora restores Saturn and you can go there for post-ending optional dungeons and side quests?
 [13:42:49] <Keiji> Or rather
 [13:42:57] <Keiji> Each planet's a story, as I mentioned.
 [13:43:14] <Keiji> Saturn's story is a retelling of the original media, with some twists and the ability to NOT have it destroyed.
 [13:44:51] <Chao> Maodu would follow the timeline, Gaias would basically be a retelling of Puyo Wars with the twist ending made by Fake Arle's meddling. Primp would basically be a twisted retelling as well.
 [13:45:12] <Chao> Suzuri would kind of have to be altered a little though since Puyo 7 doesn't actually happen in our timeline
 [13:45:17] <Keiji> Yeah, Seven would be a retelling with the twist right at the start
 [13:45:30] <Keiji> All the stories should happen before the merge really
 [13:45:34] <Keiji> and leading into it
 [13:45:39] <Keiji> Neptune would be Project Nanako.
 [13:45:47] <Keiji> This is actually a really great idea
 [13:45:55] <Keiji> Because I always struggled with fleshing out Nanako's story
 [13:46:08] <Keiji> But here we can make an epic game where it's only a small part of a bigger universe
 [13:46:16] <Keiji> And then Nanako's story is more than big enough.
 [13:47:57] <Chao> We should also give all the old "Arcs" names too
 [13:48:05] <Keiji> Hm?
 [13:48:08] <Keiji> What, from the RP?
 [13:48:18] <Chao> So each chapter in the game has a nice title
 [13:48:20] <Keiji> They are going to get rejigged like crazy you know
 [13:48:25] <Chao> I know
 [13:48:31] <Keiji> So let's not bother with that yet
 [13:49:03] <Keiji> ...hm
 [13:49:10] <Keiji> Does White Feli have anything to do with Whitespace?
 [13:49:15] <Keiji> I know she was in there for some reason
 [13:49:56] <Chao> She took Angol and Lemres there to find Marcus and Gypsum, but she ended up rescuing Daichi from Fake Arle instead and joined with Nanako's group to find Marcus and Gypsum afterwords.
 [13:50:42] <Keiji> Oh
 [13:50:51] <Keiji> It's just
 [13:50:59] <Keiji> If we're making a Heaven/Hell comparison
 [13:51:08] <Keiji> Abyss may be Hell but Whitespace is definitely not Heaven
 [13:51:20] <Keiji> Heaven is where the gods from Puyo Wars are
 [13:51:30] <Chao> Right lol
 [13:51:45] <Keiji> In fact, that's not entirely accurate
 [13:53:18] <Chao> Abyss = Hell, Limboseum and Whitespace = Limbo? Realm of Gods = Heaven?
 [13:53:36] <Keiji> Abyss isn't really Hell either.
 [13:53:48] <Keiji> Limboseum is just a fake Whitespace :u
 [13:54:14] <Chao> Made by Fake Arle for fake people's spirits to rot in fake limbo
 [13:54:18] <Keiji> Indeed
 [13:54:29] <Keiji> And the Realm of Gods is the Realm of Gods, not necessarily Heaven.
 [13:54:42] <Keiji> Heaven is subjective, basically.
 [13:54:49] <Keiji> So let's not go there XD
 [13:54:53] <Chao> yeah
 [13:55:15] <Keiji> If we're picturing it though, the Abyss should definitely be below with the Realm of Gods aboev.
 [13:55:18] <Keiji> *above
 [13:55:25] <Keiji> and Whitespace and Limboseum can just be
 [13:55:27] <Keiji> off somewhere else
 [13:56:37] <Chao> So what else do we need to sort out
 [13:57:50] <Keiji> ...well
 [13:58:00] <Keiji> for the purpose of getting this thing made
 [13:58:20] <Keiji> I'm willing to have it be 2D with traditional 4-directional sprites :p
 [13:58:35] <Chao> I see
 [13:58:56] <Keiji> Although if it took off any time I'd love to see it redone the way I truly imagined it
 [13:59:04] <Chao> Yeah
 [13:59:12] <Keiji> ...I hope you didn't miss the pun
 [13:59:29] <Chao> Sonic the way you truly imagined it
 [13:59:34] <Keiji> Indeed
 [13:59:44] <Chao> http://cw.nanako.cc/wiki/User:Chao/Villain_Template Also sprites like these perse?
 [13:59:57] <Keiji> Yes.
 [14:00:00] <Keiji> RPG Maker style sprites.
 [14:00:40] <Chao> I've actually been making sprites like that for more than just all these villains
 [14:00:49] <Keiji> I wonder whether we should have an Ultimate Ultimate.
 [14:01:23] <Keiji> We've seen Lagnus!Arle already, so that's a start.
 [14:01:43] <Keiji> It's easy to add Nanako's crystals to that.
 [14:01:56] <Keiji> and Ringo's magic and awesome attitude
 [14:02:27] <Keiji> Kanon would contribute HIDDEN POWERS.
 [14:02:32] <Keiji> Not sure about Amitie.
 [14:02:47] <Keiji> Any ideas on that front? :P
 [14:02:53] <Keiji> ...
 [14:02:56] <Keiji> EPIC PUYO HAT.
 [14:03:07] <Chao> Yeah her hat changes shape
 [14:03:14] <Keiji> ALL OUR POWERS COMBINED
 [14:03:23] <Chao> plus she's kind of fulfilling the Magic Girl trope with her staff and magic coat
 [14:03:35] <Keiji> I think that would pretty much qualify as a three
 [14:03:45] <Keiji> but that's as much as you're getting metalevel wise
 [14:03:53] <Keiji> ultimate ultimate would just be insane
 [14:04:10] <Keiji> still, I am really liking it as a postpostgame idea
 [14:04:32] <Keiji> I wonder what kind of gameplay would be required for that
 [14:05:05] <Keiji> you'd have to play all the backstories
 [14:05:09] <Keiji> then CW
 [14:05:26] <Keiji> then all the "ultimate" forming stories
 [14:05:33] <Keiji> and then one last combined story
 [14:05:35] <Chao> http://www.iaza.com/work/120912C/iaza14688399972900.png
 [14:05:41] <Keiji> That sounds like a good plan actually
 [14:05:56] <Keiji> 6 in any order, then 1 that combines them
 [14:06:01] <Keiji> then the same again for ultimates
 [14:06:06] <Chao> Looks like translating Puyo Wars is now mandatory for CW
 [14:06:36] <Keiji> Not to mention Lagnus' stuff.
 [14:06:43] <Chao> yeah
 [14:06:43] <Keiji> Also nice sprites!
 [14:06:56] <Chao> Thanks
 [14:06:59] <Keiji> Who's top right?
 [14:07:07] <Chao> Rin
 [14:07:12] <Keiji> lol
 [14:07:20] <Keiji> he's tiny
 [14:07:29] <Keiji> actually
 [14:07:36] <Keiji> can you name them all just so I don't have to ask
 [14:07:36] <Keiji> :P
 [14:08:44] <Chao> Top: Sho, Eldora, Arle, Amitie, Ringo, Daichi, Sig, Rin Middle: Alpha, Beta, Zeta, Theta Bottom: Angol, Doppel, Fake/Dark Arle, Strange Klug, Satan, Ecolo, Marcus
 [14:08:56] <Chao> *Witch between Sig and Rin
 [14:10:03] <Keiji> Ringo/Theta look weird.
 [14:10:10] <Chao> I know
 [14:10:18] <Keiji> Eldora is beautiful
 [14:10:42] <Keiji> Witch looks shrunk (like Rin)
 [14:10:52] <Chao> Yeah I noticed that too
 [14:11:03] <Chao> I think Witch and Ringo need to be adjusted a little
 [14:11:08] <Keiji> Try for a constant feet-chin height
 [14:11:20] <Chao> Not sure about Rin since I imagined him being a little shorter than most of them
 [14:11:26] <Keiji> Yes
 [14:11:37] <Keiji> But at that scale even one pixel makes too much difference
 [14:11:49] <Chao> I see
 [14:13:54] <Chao> Actually I remember I was thinking about making the Rin sprite a little taller, so yeah I think I'll do that too
 [14:14:52] <Chao> But those are some of the ones I made in my time recently. So I'll clean some of them up later
 [14:14:56] <Keiji> In any case
 [14:15:03] <Keiji> There is a problem with this game
 [14:15:05] <Keiji> and that's the number six
 [14:15:09] <Keiji> it should be period 5
 [14:15:23] <Chao> Yeah
 [14:15:46] <Keiji> The easiest way to do that
 [14:15:55] <Keiji> is to not prevent Lagnus' world being destroyecd
 [14:15:56] <Keiji> -c
 [14:16:02] <Chao> I was gonna say that lao
 [14:16:05] <Chao> *lmao
 [14:16:24] <Keiji> and then Lagnus' Ultimate form counts as the Gaias one, because we know Lagnus had a lot to do with Gaias
 [14:16:34] <Keiji> Kanon doesn't need an Ultimate form in that sense
 [14:16:38] <Keiji> BECAUSE SHE IS FREAKING KANON.
 [14:16:41] <Keiji> SHE IS ALREADY ULTIMATE.
 [14:16:48] <Chao> Yeaah exactly lol
 [14:17:09] <Keiji> So yay, we just made Period 5 work again :3
 [14:17:14] <Chao> :3
 [14:17:38] <Keiji> It also means less work figuring out Lagnus' backstory, though I will kinda miss having that...
 [14:17:51] <Keiji> I don't really want to shoehorn it into Gaias either
 [14:17:58] <Keiji> otherwise we end up with like 3 backstories over there
 [14:18:05] <Keiji> (Wars, Lagnus', and the PGoGs)
 [14:18:35] <Chao> We could have a log in the game somewhere the player can read about Lagnus' backstory?
 [14:18:50] <Keiji> that does the opposite to what I wanted lol
 [14:19:01] <Keiji> it means we have to bother researching it but it doens't become gameplay lol
 [14:19:46] <Chao> Or maybe a playable flashback instead of being with the backstories of the otther planets. Or maybe make it a Madou story instead since Lagnus is a Madou character despite his heavy ties to Gaias
 [14:20:02] <Keiji> Yes true
 [14:20:15] <Keiji> Make it part of the Madou story
 [14:20:56] <Keiji> The events of 15th and 20th would take place in Suzuri I think
 [14:21:12] <Keiji> no that's backwards
 [14:21:15] <Keiji> 15th is before 7
 [14:21:19] <Keiji> So shove 15th into Fever
 [14:21:20] <Chao> Actually 15th and 20th take place in Primp, but they're not really canon anyway.
 [14:21:21] <Keiji> and 20th into Suzuri
 [14:21:29] <Keiji> What happens in 20th anyway?
 [14:21:31] <Keiji> ~I forget
 [14:22:36] <Chao> Ringo, Maguro, Risukuma Witch and Ecolo are sent to Primp like the Madou characters were in 15th and it eventually results in Satan and Ecolo hatching some hairbrained scheme for whatever, thus the final pair deathmatch that results in Ringo, Maguro, Risukuma, and Ecolo going back to where they came from
 [14:22:52] <Chao> Ecolo suffers from amnesia most of the game
 [14:23:01] <Keiji> Can it be flipped so that the other characters go to Suzuri instaed?
 [14:23:14] <Chao> Probably lol
 [14:23:18] <Keiji> Awesome
 [14:24:31] <Chao> And all the other games happen per the time line
 [14:24:41] <Keiji> actually
 [14:25:02] <Keiji> I want to have each storyline happen simultaneously or otherwise with disregard to the relative times between them
 [14:25:25] <Keiji> we should silently remove Arle from her positions in the Fever and Suzuri worlds
 [14:25:39] <Keiji> because there's plenty of her to go round in Madou and CW
 [14:26:18] <Chao> Dark Arle can't be in PP7's modified story anyway because "Fake" Arle is basically her replacement in the CW story.
 [14:26:26] <Keiji> ah yeah
 [14:26:31] <Keiji> Dark Arle is always a problem
 [14:26:37] <Keiji> Remind me
 [14:26:42] <Keiji> how early do you learn of her in 7
 [14:27:09] <Chao> In Act 3, when she starts stalking Ringo and Amitie as they go to play against the 7 Madou characters and open Ecolo's space warp
 [14:27:38] <Keiji> ...we can't have the 7 Madou characters in there either.
 [14:27:54] <Keiji> Suzuri is pretty void of characters original to it, actually.
 [14:28:01] <Chao> It is
 [14:28:11] <Chao> Ringo, Maguro, and Risu are the only ones
 [14:28:20] <Chao> Ecolo wanders all worlds, so he doesn't count
 [14:28:21] <Keiji> I think Mikki would be a good replacement for Arle in Fever, but as for 7...
 [14:28:30] <Keiji> also no
 [14:28:39] <Keiji> Ecolo would stick to Suzuri until the worlds began merging
 [14:28:51] <Keiji> or rather
 [14:28:52] <Keiji> i should say
 [14:29:00] <Keiji> until the worlds merging got to a particular point
 [14:29:54] <Chao> The problem with Puyo 7 is that the CW story disregards pretty much all of it lol.
 [14:30:09] <Keiji> BUT RINGO
 [14:30:48] <Chao> Ringo and Ecolo and techically Fake Arle are the largest derivitaves from it
 [14:31:28] <Keiji> We broke the perfect period 5 again ;_;
 [14:31:41] <Keiji> Now how do we fix it
 [14:31:58] <Chao> By making a drastically different version of Puyo 7's story?
 [14:32:12] <Keiji> That would defeat the purpose wouldn't it
 [14:32:24] <Chao> True I guess
 [14:32:48] <Chao> but if you want to remove Arle and the Madou characters it becomes a problem telling it the way it was in the game too
 [14:33:10] * Keiji reloaded the client
 [14:33:16] <Keiji> Hm
 [14:33:44] <Chao> Unless Ecolo disguises himself as a prophet or something and tells Klug to tell Ringo to visit the seven wonders to make his warp bigger.
 [14:34:19] <Chao> I dunno.
 [14:35:40] <Chao> But alot of 7's story relies on the presence of pretty much everyone apart from Skeleton T
 [14:36:10] <Keiji> 7 was supposed to be based on the real orld
 [14:36:23] <Keiji> That's why they struggled with it lol
 [14:36:30] <Chao> lol
 [14:36:41] <Keiji> And that's why we are too
 [14:36:50] <Chao> Even though in the real world you can't take a train to the bermuda triangle
 [14:36:55] <Keiji> lol
 [14:39:06] <Chao> But yeah
 [14:40:25] <Keiji> Perhaps it would be best to warp it the other way, so that Ringo, Maguro, Risu and Ecolo get warped to the Fever world and we forget all about Suzuri
 [14:40:38] <Keiji> But there's still the problem of Ecolo's Possessor
 [14:41:29] <Chao> Ekoro is possessed by Ecolo, he causes chaos in other dimensions for 600 years, and then lands in Primp to fuck around with Ringo until CW begins.
 [14:42:10] <Keiji> also it'd be Human!Ecolo
 [14:42:21] <Keiji> also wrong way round
 [14:42:22] <Keiji> :P
 [14:42:32] <Keiji> Ecolo is possessed by Ekoro, right?
 [14:42:42] <Chao> Not really, since Human!Ecolo is batshit insane and is fake Arle's minion
 [14:42:57] <Keiji> No
 [14:43:03] <Keiji> Human!Ecolo in Fever
 [14:43:30] <Keiji> would be batshit insane yes, but wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as when he becomes fake Arle's minion
 [14:43:50] <Keiji> it'd be more humorous, surely
 [14:45:09] <Chao> Ekoro, the benevolent one, is possessed by Ecolo 600 years prior to CW, and is only freed when Black Sig hydrangeas the fuck out of Blob!Ecolo.
 [14:45:21] <Chao> Ekoro then possesses Omega
 [14:45:34] <Chao> and makes her absorb most of the clones for the finale of SHAME
 [14:45:48] <Chao> And then continues to use her body until the end
 [14:47:16] <Chao> Unless you retcon that entirely, both of them exist at least 600 years before the main story, and both of them have the ability to traverse from world to world before they begin merging.
 [14:48:14] <Chao> However he doesn't side with Fake Arle until before the Ekoro Arc begins.
 [14:53:29] <Chao> But yeah Human!Ecolo + Ekoro = Blob!Ecolo (who calls himself Ekoro just to piss you off)

== September 12th, 2012 ==
 [12:03:32] <Keiji> so
 [12:03:34] <Keiji> let's talk about this game
 [12:03:50] <Keiji> madou story?
 [12:04:14] <Keiji> i'd say 1,2,3,4, and minna... they're all about Satan's silly plans
 [12:04:18] <Keiji> (Except 4's Doppel Arle)
 [12:05:07] <Chao> 1,2 definitely come first.
 [12:05:19] <Keiji> err i wasn't debating that lol
 [12:05:24] <Keiji> they go in that order :p
 [12:05:36] <Keiji> How can we tie Lagnus' backstory in, as well as any Madou Monogatari shenanigans we might want to?
 [12:07:10] <Chao> Well, Lagnus has to end up in the Madou World before SUN, so Madou Saturn needs to happen between 2 and 3 if you want that to be the foundation of his backstory.
 [12:08:01] <Chao> And then it boils down to picking which things from Madou 123 or Madou ARS are canon because they kind of conflict each other.
 [12:09:06] <Chao> Assumedly, all the Madou games aside from Saturn and Final Test happen before OPP because 123 is where Arle meets Schezo, Rulue and Satan, and ARS explains more backstory stuff on Rulue Schezo and Arle
 [12:09:38] <Chao> (Of course, the Arle backstories conflict because in one Carbuncle is there when she's younger and in the other he's not)
 [12:12:28] <Chao> And Yon can't actually happen until after the Meteor Arc without some retconning because Doppel isn't created until the portal fucks up at the end of that segment.
 [12:14:50] <Chao> So uh yeah
 [12:16:03] <Keiji> No actually
 [12:16:18] <Keiji> We'd alter YON's story so Doppel isn't in it
 [12:16:29] <Keiji> and it's just more of Satan's silly plans
 [12:16:32] <Keiji> Basically
 [12:16:36] <Keiji> Madou is Satan's silly plans
 [12:16:39] <Keiji> :D
 [12:17:06] <Chao> So do we even need to have the Satan arc from the begining of the RP? Because LOL it's more of Satan's silly  plans (TM)
 [12:17:23] <Keiji> No because that has a ton of Fever characters
 [12:17:43] <Chao> Right
 [12:17:48] <Keiji> Maybe we should shoehorn some Popoi silliness from the RP into the Fever world though
 [12:17:56] <Keiji> Because Popoi doesn't get enough screen time
 [12:18:30] <Chao> Well Fever 1 shows off Popoi but then SEGA forgot where they were actually going with it and just left it as a teasing plot hole
 [12:18:38] <Keiji> lmao
 [12:18:54] <Keiji> So we should patch that up, yes
 [12:20:08] <Chao> Basically that's what the RP does even though he didn't get a lot of screen time; it basically reveals that  any silliness aside Popoi occasionally manipulates Accord in an attempt to murder her classroom.
 [12:20:36] <Chao> To which he obviously fails apart from Tarutaru's conspicuous absence in 15th and beyond
 [12:21:08] <Keiji> I actually missed Taru and Hohow Bird
 [12:21:20] <Keiji> For whatever reason I quite liked them in Fever
 [12:21:30] <Chao> I missed Hohow Bird too ;_;
 [12:21:45] <Keiji> anyway
 [12:21:55] <Keiji> The question about what to do with Suzuri remainds
 [12:21:56] <Keiji> -d
 [12:23:02] <Keiji> I suppose one solution is to chuck a bunch of original characters in there (hi Kakurine)
 [12:23:13] <Chao> Lol
 [12:23:32] <Keiji> Well, Suzuri may not originate in Puyo, but it's weird enough for Risukuma to exist
 [12:23:53] <Chao> Yeah that's an oddity
 [12:24:00] * Keiji changed the music to Wind God Girl (Sax)
 [12:24:06] <Keiji> And Aya should be a cameo
 [12:24:46] <Chao> Maybe we should have Patchouli be a cameo in the Magic School Library (since in Touhou mother she gets  possessed by Strange Klug anyway)
 [12:25:16] <Keiji> LOL
 [12:25:21] <Keiji> I love that
 [12:25:24] <Keiji> Reciprocal cameos!
 [12:25:44] <Keiji> But isn't it considered bad form to have multiple cameos from the same series?
 [12:26:03] <Chao> Is it?
 [12:26:21] <Keiji> I thought it was
 [12:26:28] <Chao> Hm
 [12:26:42] <Chao> Damn you baka
 [12:27:00] <Keiji> Yeah I'd like to include Cirno too
 [12:27:24] * Keiji changed the music to Compile - Puyo 20th - King of the Abyss
 [12:28:48] <Chao> But yeah the thing with populating Suzuri with OCs is that all of the ones in the RP pretty much have their  world of origin set
 [12:29:15] <Chao> So we'd have to come up with like 10 new one-shots on the spot to put there just to reinact PP7's story correctly
 [12:29:54] <Keiji> or we can retcon origins
 [12:31:15] <Chao> Tech was supposed to be from Primp, but I suppose he could be from Suzuri instead...
 [12:32:03] <Chao> Maybe that'll give him more of a role that way other than just the few episodes of the Gathering he's  actually in
 [12:32:37] <Keiji> actually Tech makes sense to be a Suzurian
 [12:33:15] <Chao> His hat was even based off of Amitie's Puyo 7 hat
 [12:33:20] <Chao> lol
 [12:33:23] <Keiji> lol
 [12:34:31] * Keiji changed the music to Compile - Memories (MD)
 [12:34:37] <Keiji> So that's one
 [12:34:57] <Keiji> Did I already mention Mikki should be Arle's replacement in Fever? I'm sure I did.
 [12:35:02] <Chao> Yeha you did
 [12:35:10] <Chao> Mikki was basically a primpian anyway
 [12:35:13] <Keiji> yep
 [12:35:27] <Keiji> Let's see
 [12:35:32] <Keiji> What OCs are there apart from clones
 [12:37:29] <Keiji> Should we include Jupiter?
 [12:37:33] <Chao> Gypsum, Marcus, Steve, Eltia (all abysian), Tech (Suzurian), Mikki, Strigina (Primpian), Nanako, Juichi  (Neptunian), Puyo Spirits (One for each world)
 [12:37:45] <Chao> Also, probably not, lol.
 [12:37:58] <Keiji> I think we should, just to give Ecolo some company
 [12:38:52] <Chao> Yes there's the thing about giving Ecolo company, but is there a way we could do that that doesn't have  strings tied to an unreasonable person? lol
 [12:39:00] <Keiji> Pssh
 [12:39:10] <Keiji> We don't need to ask permission from an unreasonable person
 [12:39:25] <Keiji> Besides
 [12:39:29] <Keiji> It's CW
 [12:39:32] <Keiji> It's CW universe.
 [12:39:46] <Chao> Well whatever then.
 [12:40:45] <Keiji> If we can get Kiks' permission for Kakurine (I'm sure she'll agree) the count is up to 7 (fittingly enough)
 [12:41:52] <Chao> There's also Rika
 [12:42:03] <Keiji> who is really not a Suzurian
 [12:42:09] <Chao> yeah
 [12:42:28] <Keiji> and probably shouldn't be introduced in any source world anyway
 [12:43:59] * Keiji changed the music to Homestuck - Frost
 [12:44:35] <Keiji> How many characters do you think we need to make Suzuri plausible?
 [12:45:54] <Chao> At least 7; one for each wonder of the world. Ecolo can don a disguise and take up Arle/Klug's roles and  then fulfill his own.
 [12:46:06] <Keiji> Lol disguises
 [12:46:18] <Keiji> Wonders of the world?
 [12:46:22] <Keiji> what do they have to do with anything?
 [12:47:00] <Chao> In Act 3, Ringo has to visit the Seven Wonders of the World to battle 7 Puyo Players in order to close the  space warp, but it's actually a setup by Ecolo to make it bigger
 [12:47:36] <Chao> Then in Act 4 Ringo confronts Ecolo, and Act 5 is the Trio ganging up on him and pounding him to bits
 [12:47:38] <Keiji> wait
 [12:47:45] <Keiji> I think you just nailed it
 [12:47:57] <Keiji> why not
 [12:48:06] <Keiji> as well as a character from each world who becomes Ultimate
 [12:48:18] <Keiji> we have a character from each world who is responsible for the fusion
 [12:48:25] <Keiji> in Madou - Doppel. Yes. because earlier
 [12:48:26] <Keiji> we forgot
 [12:48:29] <Keiji> she is a time traveller
 [12:48:38] <Keiji> so it's perfectly reasonable for her to show up and ruin Satan's circus
 [12:48:44] <Keiji> in Fever - Popoi
 [12:48:48] <Keiji> in 7 - Ecolo of course
 [12:49:09] <Keiji> in Gaias - I'm thinking one of the Gods that isn't touched upon much
 [12:49:34] <Keiji> in Neptune...
 [12:49:46] <Keiji> someone I haven't worked out yet
 [12:49:54] <Chao> Benedict?
 [12:49:58] * Keiji changed the music to Homestuck - Calamity
 [12:50:13] <Keiji> no
 [12:50:21] <Keiji> Benedict was pretty much played for laughs
 [12:50:30] <Keiji> he'll be replaced
 [12:50:42] <Keiji> for his key role at the end of SHAME
 [12:51:55] <Chao> Also for the gods Issac or Isshutaris would make sense, considering they're the most angry and bitter with  Eldora for being overly protective of Gaias, which meant little to them other than being their school exam
 [13:00:53] <Keiji> What are the major branches of Madou
 [13:00:55] <Keiji> Monogatari
 [13:01:13] * Keiji changed the music to Compile - Madou 1 - Floors 11 & 12 (MD)
 [13:01:16] <Keiji> 123
 [13:01:16] <Keiji> ARS
 [13:01:20] <Keiji> Genesis
 [13:01:27] <Keiji> BKK
 [13:01:29] <Keiji> Saturn
 [13:01:35] <Keiji> which of those correlate with each other?
 [13:02:22] <Chao> BKK and Genesis are slightly different retellings of Madou 1, all of them which depict Arle graduating Magical Kindergarten by going on an adventure as her final exam.
 [13:02:49] <Chao> ARS conflicts with that slightly, but offers a little more insight on Rulue and Schezo
 [13:03:18] <Chao> and Saturn connects to Puyo SUN and Wars more than it does to the other Madous
 [13:03:37] <Keiji> what are the conflicts, then?
 [13:05:28] <Chao> Madou 1 and ARS both depict a young Arle presumably between ages 5-8 (because she's 16 by Madou 2/OPP), but while Madou 1 depicts Arle as being in school and not having met Carbuncle yet, ARS depicts her wandering off on her own with Carby at her side
 [13:06:04] <Keiji> does it make it explicit that they haven't met?
 [13:06:33] <Chao> Arle meets Carbuncle at the end of Madou 2; up until that point he was Satan's pet
 [13:06:52] <Keiji> Ah
 [13:07:29] <Keiji> so if Madou 2 is at the same time as OPP when is Madou 3?
 [13:08:05] <Chao> Well, Arle is still 16 by OPP, Madou 2 and 3 happen before then presumably
 [13:08:34] <Chao> When she hits 16 it's suddenly a case of Ash's "I'm 10 years old forever" with her
 [13:08:54] <Keiji> excepting Daihenshin? :U
 [13:09:07] <Keiji> actually what is her Deka form anyway
 [13:09:12] <Chao> Excepting Henshin powers.
 [13:10:20] <Chao> Also um
 [13:10:25] <Keiji> How are we going to do Henshin powers anyway?
 [13:10:33] <Chao> Hm...that's a good thought
 [13:10:45] <Keiji> Maybe we should just disregard them
 [13:11:19] <Chao> I guess it depends on the battle mechanics. If they're not important to battle and aren't required to solve overworld puzzles, then pretty much anybody not from Suzuri should disregard them lol
 [13:11:21] <Keiji> I'd say just disregard all of PP7 if it wasn't for Ringo and Ecolo coming from there, and the lack of Period 5 that would ensue
 [13:14:39] <Keiji> yes
 [13:14:42] <Keiji> the thing is
 [13:15:03] <Keiji> Madou and Gaias are fucking huge pieces of story compared to Suzuri
 [13:15:37] <Keiji> I'd say why not get rid of Suzuri and split one of those in two, but I can't think of a sensible place to do that
 [13:16:00] <Chao> Well either Saturn or Suzuri gets the axe
 [13:16:20] <Keiji> Saturn doesn't belong as a separate world though does it?
 [13:16:22] <Keiji> Besides, Ringo.
 [13:16:27] <Keiji> Needs to stay as an Ultimate
 [13:17:00] <Keiji> wait wasn't it Theta who was going to do that
 [13:17:07] <Keiji> NOW I AM CONFUSE
 [13:17:09] <Keiji> ERK
 [13:17:30] <Chao> You said Theta
 [13:17:37] <Chao> was gonna be the Ringo ultimate
 [13:17:48] <Keiji> Yes
 [13:17:50] <Chao> by taking on Omega's Role in SHAME and the Gathering
 [13:19:05] <Keiji> OH
 [13:19:11] <Keiji> YOU KNOW WHAT WE MUST DO FOR THIS
 [13:19:13] <Chao> The biggest problem we have is that Ringo and Ecolo exist in the RP, but the RP totally disregards the events of 7 and 20th.
 [13:19:21] <Keiji> We must use the PS2 version of TSU as base
 [13:19:24] <Keiji> for TSU
 [13:19:32] <Keiji> wait
 [13:19:33] <Keiji> PS2?
 [13:19:45] <Keiji> I mean PS1
 [13:19:46] <Keiji> lolz
 [13:20:03] <Keiji> Or PSX
 [13:20:04] <Keiji> yeah
 [13:20:05] <Keiji> that's the one
 [13:20:06] <Keiji> I fail
 [13:20:18] <Keiji> http://puyonexus.net/wiki/TSU#PSX_version
 [13:20:24] <Keiji> Because it's not on CW for some godforsaken reason
 [13:21:56] <Chao> :o
 [13:25:05] <Keiji> we still haven't figured out WHAT THE FUCK TO DO ABOUT SUZURI.
 [13:25:35] <Chao> I know argh
 [13:25:58] <Chao> I bet this is why SEGA warped everyone to Primp in 20th.
 [13:26:13] <Chao> Because they couldn't figure out how to backstory Suzuri either
 [13:26:27] <Chao> so they put everyone in the world they already fleshed out
 [13:26:40] <Chao> and then put them back when they were done
 [13:29:23] <Chao> But yeah there a lot of problems. The RP disregards what little story Suzuri even had, and we can barely use it anyway since traveling across worlds apart from Eldora and Fake Arle's magic is forbidden until the main story.
 [13:30:05] <Chao> But developing our own backstory for it goes against the point of using the games as the backstory in the first place
 [13:30:24] <Keiji> No it doesn't
 [13:30:24] <Chao> It's basically caught between a rock and a hard place; it needs to be there but it can't be
 [13:30:33] <Keiji> We're doing that for half of Gaias after all.
 [13:30:47] <Keiji> The Angel Acadamy half, that is.
 [13:30:51] <Chao> I suppose that's true... :0
 [13:31:04] <Keiji> There's a whole load of stuff I have half thought out for that that I've hardly mentioned
 [13:31:09] <Keiji> but that will come later
 [13:31:32] <Keiji> I do think pretty much the only way to make Suzuri work is to use OCs
 [13:32:36] <Chao> Then let's do that then; if we need to have there be a villain causing chaos I can think of a silly Ecolo plan that vaguely resembles the PP7 plot for the purposes of whatever.
 [15:36:16] <Chao> So now that PP7 is fresh in your mind again
 [15:36:34] <Keiji> I love Risukuma's voice
 [15:36:46] <Chao> me too
 [15:37:01] <Chao> And Risukuma loves us back
 [15:41:09] <Keiji> so now that it's fresh in my mind what?
 [15:41:38] <Chao> Any ideas?
 [15:41:42] <Keiji> about?
 [15:41:58] <Chao> Suzuri and fitting PP7 into MPFW
 [15:42:11] <Chao> or just lots of "Ringo and Risu are epic pls"
 [15:42:45] <Keiji> Well I still want Amitie to be Suzurian. ox=
 [15:43:03] <Chao> Like that helps lol
 [15:43:19] <Keiji> Actually
 [15:43:23] <Chao> Of her peers though she wears the obligatory uniform the best
 [15:43:33] <Keiji> She is so cute in PP7
 [15:43:44] <Keiji> Whereas I don't really like her in Fever.
 [15:43:52] <Keiji> But yeah
 [15:44:01] <Keiji> The Ultimates is a bit silly really
 [15:44:07] <Keiji> It should just be Ultimate Arle =p
 [15:44:23] <Chao> And as a post-ending thing
 [15:44:43] <Chao> Complete Arle for your post-game shenanigans
 [15:44:56] <Keiji> ?
 [15:45:32] <Chao> I just called her "Complete Arle" because she's technically incomplete until "Fake" Arle reunites with her
 [15:45:37] <Keiji> exactly
 [15:45:45] <Keiji> so we're just calling them by different names
 [15:45:47] <Keiji> anyway...
 [15:45:58] <Keiji> Amitie's dream is to be a WONDERFUL MAGIC USER
 [15:46:03] <Keiji> Which is fine]
 [15:46:13] <Keiji> She doesn't need to be able to use magic to have that dream
 [15:46:18] <Keiji> so she can be a suzurian
 [15:46:33] <Keiji> And then when the fusion occurs she can accomplish her dream :o
 [15:46:50] <Keiji> On the other hand Primp spoils her~
 [15:46:54] <Chao> So then who's the hero in the Fever/2 storylines
 [15:47:02] <Keiji> Raffine duh
 [15:47:06] <Keiji> Hard modo
 [15:47:15] <Chao> lol
 [15:47:22] <Keiji> and yes
 [15:47:30] <Keiji> I like her even less than Amitie
 [15:47:32] <Keiji> but :p
 [15:47:34] <Chao> Or maybe Sig except he isn't in Fever 1
 [15:47:46] <Keiji> Sig isnt really hero type
 [15:48:02] <Keiji> also he has his role
 [15:48:17] <Keiji> Better hero
 [15:48:18] <Keiji> RIDER <3
 [15:48:21] <Chao> HAJFSasf
 [15:48:34] <Keiji> I actually forgot about hersince she wasn't in 7
 [15:48:37] <Keiji> silly sega
 [15:48:39] <Keiji> but it makes sense
 [15:48:42] <Keiji> she's multi elemental
 [15:48:50] <Keiji> she's adorable (like arle)
 [15:49:07] <Chao> She's extremely adorable
 [15:49:12] <Chao> because she's moe
 [15:49:21] <Keiji> She's a versatile character
 [15:49:58] <Keiji> She also can't get shoehorned over into Suzuri
 [15:50:27] <Chao> Yeah
 [15:50:34] <Chao> She def belongs in Primp
 [15:50:44] <Keiji> What is the Fever cast again
 [15:51:45] <Chao> Amitie, Raffine, Rider, Klug, Tarutaru, Oshare Bones, Onion Pixy, Dongurigaeru, Frankenstiens (Ugh) Salde,  Yu, Hohow Bird, Arle, Carbuncle, Accord, Popoi
 [15:52:08] <Keiji> Okay good I wasn't missing anyone important
 [15:52:27] <Chao> And then Fever 2 added Sig, Feli, Lemres, Baldanders, Akuma and Strange Klug
 [15:52:32] <Keiji> Mhm
 [15:52:47] <Chao> and technically Otomo and Oniko too.
 [15:52:53] <Chao> but they aren't playable
 [15:52:56] <Chao> so lol
 [15:53:00] <Keiji> lol
 [15:53:08] <Chao> oh and Gogotte
 [15:53:15] <Chao> I forgot about him
 [15:53:33] <Keiji> Yeah I have an idea for how I want this all to work out now
 [15:53:53] <Chao> :o
 [15:54:19] <Keiji> There's still much more in Madou and Gaias than Fever or Suzur
 [15:54:20] <Keiji> i
 [15:54:24] <Keiji> but that can't be helped