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Chao at 19:28, 14 September 2012

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September 9th 2012

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	[14:48:14] <Chao> However he doesn't side with Fake Arle until before the Ekoro Arc begins.		[14:48:14] <Chao> However he doesn't side with Fake Arle until before the Ekoro Arc begins.
	[14:53:29] <Chao> But yeah Human!Ecolo + Ekoro = Blob!Ecolo (who calls himself Ekoro just to piss you off)		[14:53:29] <Chao> But yeah Human!Ecolo + Ekoro = Blob!Ecolo (who calls himself Ekoro just to piss you off)
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		+	== September 13th/14th, 2012 ==
		+	[23:17:05] <Keiji> so Aeris is Suzuri?
		+	[23:17:31] <Chao> I guess, since they're both green (which is ironic since Ringo is the newfag :U)
		+	[23:17:52] <Keiji> that doesn't make sense
		+	[23:17:54] <Keiji> why is suzuri green
		+	[23:18:20] <Chao> Two days ago you named Suzuri Earth, and Earth = Green
		+	[23:18:29] <Keiji> ohhh
		+	[23:18:30] <Keiji> ofc
		+	[23:19:33] <Keiji> the spirit elements are... earth fire water electric & light?
		+	[23:19:44] <Chao> *wind, not earth
		+	[23:19:51] <Keiji> derp
		+	[23:20:01] <Keiji> > miss out the one we're talking about
		+	[23:20:09] <Chao> Yeah lol
		+	[23:20:12] <Keiji> or i guess we were just talking about earth
		+	[23:20:28] <Chao> Green = Wind = Aeries
		+	[23:20:33] <Keiji> Aeris
		+	[23:20:38] <Chao> = Earth = Suzuri
		+	[23:20:38] <Keiji> fail.
		+	[23:20:57] <Chao> Oh look a period 5
		+	[23:21:00] <Keiji> lol
		+	[23:21:07] <Keiji> anyway
		+	[23:21:12] <Chao> Green Wind Aeris Earth Suzuri, or Gwaes
		+	[23:21:20] <Keiji> no
		+	[23:21:20] <Chao> anyway
		+	[23:21:34] <Keiji> it should be Suzuri Earth Green Wind Aeris
		+	[23:21:38] <Keiji> SEGWA
		+	[23:21:44] <Keiji> not just cause it's pronuncible
		+	[23:21:49] <Chao> but SEGA
		+	[23:21:51] <Keiji> but the Earth relates to Green, not to Aeris
		+	[23:21:56] <Keiji> also lol
		+	[23:22:14] <Chao> Anyhow
		+	[23:22:21] <Keiji> I still want to know how you get period 5 out of a rubik's cube
		+	[23:22:33] <Keiji> where the heck is the underlying geometry that allows for that
		+	[23:22:44] <Keiji> cubes are made of 2s and 3s
		+	[23:22:58] <Keiji> 6 faces, 8 vertices, 12 edges, there are no 5s
		+	[23:23:04] <Keiji> and each face is divided into 3x3
		+	[23:23:20] <Keiji> but you can do a series of 5 moves on a rubik's cube and get back where you started
		+	[23:23:29] <Keiji> that to me
		+	[23:23:31] <Keiji> doesn't make sense
		+	[23:23:36] <Chao> :u
		+	[23:23:54] <Keiji> this is where I would have liked to have stayed at uni for masters LOL
		+	[23:24:16] <Keiji> study moar group theory and do a dissertation on rubik's cubes!
		+	[23:24:54] <Chao> So um...have we got all the backstory stuff apart from what needs translation from MadouCyc/Wars/Madou Saturn out of the way now?
		+	[23:25:15] <Keiji> Ah... let's just think about those spirits some more
		+	[23:25:24] <Keiji> what do we have
		+	[23:25:36] <Keiji> Fire Red Madou
		+	[23:25:38] <Keiji> ?
		+	[23:25:43] <Chao> Charyl
		+	[23:25:48] <Keiji> it should be leaf green suzuri then
		+	[23:25:49] <Keiji> derp
		+	[23:25:52] <Chao> ashjfkhjkshf
		+	[23:26:02] <Keiji> you mean you DIDN'T see that one coming? :D
		+	[23:26:14] <Chao> Madou Puyo Wars! Fire Red Madou and LEaf Green Suzuri versions
		+	[23:26:26] <Chao> Actually I thought Red was Gaias but w/e
		+	[23:26:37] <Keiji> I thought that was Purple
		+	[23:26:43] <Keiji> No wait
		+	[23:26:44] <Keiji> wtf
		+	[23:26:46] <Keiji> Red is Fever
		+	[23:26:51] <Keiji> Red will always be Fever
		+	[23:26:51] <Chao> You named Primp purple in light of Jupiter :P
		+	[23:26:58] <Keiji> Did I?
		+	[23:27:03] <Chao> But Red makes more sense for Fever to me too
		+	[23:27:11] <Keiji> Red is Fever in 15th game mode selection
		+	[23:27:21] <Keiji> So Fire Red Fever
		+	[23:27:56] <Chao> Which still correlates to Charyl, which works perfectly since I was planning her to be Primp's spirit all along anyway
		+	[23:28:01] <Keiji> Coolio
		+	[23:28:06] <Keiji> Neptune is always Blue
		+	[23:28:11] <Keiji> so that's Water
		+	[23:28:13] <Chao> So Unda
		+	[23:28:28] <Keiji> Gaias is Purple
		+	[23:28:37] <Chao> So your Ex
		+	[23:28:41] <Chao> I mean Serra
		+	[23:28:43] <Keiji> lmao
		+	[23:28:45] <Keiji> so that leaves
		+	[23:28:49] <Keiji> yellow and green
		+	[23:28:58] <Keiji> yellow is electric?
		+	[23:29:01] <Chao> Madou with Ralie, and Suzuri with Aeris.
		+	[23:29:04] <Chao> Yep
		+	[23:29:10] <Keiji> Swap them
		+	[23:29:27] <Keiji> Ralie seems like he'd get on with Tech :p
		+	[23:29:41] <Chao> omfg
		+	[23:29:45] <Keiji> ?
		+	[23:30:19] <Chao> It's not a gay pairing because Railie is technically genderless, but it's not straight either
		+	[23:30:28] <Keiji> it's not a pairing
		+	[23:30:32] <Chao> oh
		+	[23:30:33] <Chao> lol
		+	[23:30:35] <Keiji> it's buddies lol
		+	[23:30:38] <Chao> my bad
		+	[23:30:42] <Keiji> derp
		+	[23:30:47] <Keiji> NOT EVERYTHING
		+	[23:30:52] <Keiji> is worthy of a poster
		+	[23:30:59] <Keiji> I uh mean deserves a pairing
		+	[23:32:07] <Chao> So yeah Ralie and Yellow for Suzuri then
		+	[23:32:12] <Chao> and Aeris and Green for Madou
		+	[23:32:22] <Chao> Color swap complete
		+	[23:32:23] <Chao> lao
		+	[23:32:25] <Chao> *lmao
		+	[23:32:25] * Keiji reloaded the client
		+	[23:32:42] <Keiji> Wind and that traditional everything makes sense for Madou
		+	[23:32:47] <Keiji> while Ralie is all DENKI
		+	[23:33:16] <Chao> Charyl is firery and kind of crazy, which fits in with the Pimp Primpians
		+	[23:34:02] <Chao> Not sure how Unda correlates to Neptune other than that you like her alot
		+	[23:34:11] <Chao> and water
		+	[23:34:57] <Chao> So now that we have a color/spirit assigned to each planet
		+	[23:36:08] <Keiji> the neptune-water thing is only cause of blue
		+	[23:36:16] <Chao> yeah
		+	[23:36:17] <Chao> lol
		+	[23:36:28] <Keiji> I could stick some crazy story in there
		+	[23:36:33] <Keiji> about how Neptune is also Mercury
		+	[23:36:37] <Keiji> which is traditionally water
		+	[23:37:36] <Chao> Other than that, is there anything else that needs ironing out? (Again apart from material which is yet to be translated)
		+	[23:38:07] <Keiji> not really
		+	[23:38:24] <Chao> So backstories done?
		+	[23:38:46] <Keiji> well obviously we'll need to write them properly, but the ideas are there and conflicts resolved
		+	[23:38:55] <Chao> Of course
		+	[23:39:20] <Keiji> we need to think about which characters will be cross universe before the start of the game
		+	[23:39:31] <Keiji> Amitie, unwillingly and unknowingly
		+	[23:39:39] <Keiji> Ecolo/Ekoro most likely
		+	[23:39:42] <Chao> Ecolo, for obvious reasons
		+	[23:39:43] <Keiji> Doppel
		+	[23:40:11] <Chao> Fake Arle? (Though she technically doesn't exist until after the backstories happen)
		+	[23:40:23] <Keiji> Hmm, here's something we never touched on - did Fake Arle get separated from Real Arle at some point or were they born separately?
		+	[23:40:59] <Keiji> Maybe they were born as twins and Fake Arle was covered up so Real Arle was never informed she had a twin
		+	[23:41:02] <Chao> On the Timeline I made for the RP, she separates from Arle unknowingly at some point while the classic Puyo stuff is happening, but before Wars begins
		+	[23:41:22] <Keiji> ^
		+	[23:41:56] <Chao> Of course she has to appear before Wars begins in order to imprison Eldora
		+	[23:42:32] <Keiji> hang on
		+	[23:42:51] <Chao> Oh holy shit. On the timeline I have Fake Arle as "appearing into existence" before OPP even starts o_O
		+	[23:42:52] <Keiji> Eldora isn't imprisoned til after Wars, right?
		+	[23:42:56] <Chao> Right
		+	[23:43:11] <Keiji> anyway I like my twins idea
		+	[23:43:52] <Chao> But due to her imprisonment, Angol, Marin, and Sho are teleported to the wrong places of course (Which probably explains why Daichi is hanging out with them after the credits).
		+	[23:44:27] <Chao> Oh yeah, Angol, Marin, and Sho are cross universal by the demands of the Wars plot
		+	[23:44:35] <Chao> Eldora migrates them from Madou
		+	[23:44:54] <Chao> But hm
		+	[23:44:58] <Keiji> and rin?
		+	[23:45:05] <Chao> Possibly Rin too yeah
		+	[23:45:14] <Chao> He doesn't know where he is when Daichi calms him down
		+	[23:45:59] <Chao> But, one question. If Fake and Real Arle are twins, as opposed to just separate halves of one person, what h appens with the merge at the end?
		+	[23:46:18] <Keiji> They were BORN as twins.
		+	[23:46:31] <Keiji> Nothing to say there wasn't something slightly different going on in the womb
		+	[23:46:40] <Chao> Oh
		+	[23:47:18] <Keiji> So for all intents and purposes nobody knew but the people concerned instinctively knew they had to get rid of Fake Arle for some reason.
		+	[23:47:35] <Chao> And thus begins the cycle of rejection for Fake Arle

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[12:54:53] <Keiji> The Madou Puyo Fever Wars: SUN 24/7 <-- how to reference every Puyo game in an epic title
[12:55:10] <Chao> omg
[12:55:32] <Keiji> yep
[12:55:43] <Keiji> opp is just Puyo
[12:55:45] <Keiji> 2 is in there
[12:55:47] <Keiji> 3 is SUN
[12:55:49] <Keiji> 4 is in there
[12:55:51] <Keiji> Fever is there
[12:55:54] <Keiji> Fever 2 is Fever and 2
[12:55:57] <Keiji> 7 is 7
[12:56:04] <Chao> And also 24/7
[12:56:04] <Keiji> Wars is obvious
[12:56:08] <Keiji> yes
[12:56:10] <Keiji> also
[12:56:14] <Keiji> Madou Monogatari
[12:56:18] <Chao> Yep
[12:56:43] <Keiji> and even 123, which is the origin of the SUN 24 thing, I actually started with 123, rhymed the 1 to SUN, and then thought well we already have 3 so let's make it 4.
[12:56:48] <Keiji> /obscure
[12:56:58] <Chao> :o
[12:59:09] <Keiji> This game would be about all the Compile Worlds fusing together and everyone having an epic Tournament
[12:59:36] <Keiji> Where the SUN shines 24 hours a day 7 days a week because they made the planet's spin match its orbit
[12:59:56] <Chao> omg lmao
[13:00:01] <Keiji> In fact
[13:00:04] <Keiji> let's just call our game that
[13:00:13] <Keiji> because Compile Worlds is confusing and Compile Worlds: The Game makes you lose
[13:00:24] <Chao> yeah lol
[13:00:34] <Keiji> plus it's epic
[13:00:41] <Keiji> also it sorts out the story
[13:00:42] <Keiji> completely
[13:01:55] <Keiji> doesn't it?
[13:02:00] <Chao> Yeah
[13:02:16] <Keiji> you can still have backstories on each world
[13:02:23] <Chao> Well right
[13:02:35] <Keiji> and the special gimmick will be the ability to control how fused they are
[13:02:45] <Chao> Because obviously Puyo Wars and Fever 2 have to happen before the game
[13:03:08] <Keiji> from being entirely separate universes, to requiring epic space travel, to requiring sea/air travel, to being right next to each other
[13:03:24] <Keiji> The Neptune better make a cameo too.
[13:03:30] <Keiji> complete with Nanako
[13:03:33] <Keiji> :D
[13:04:14] <Chao> Maybe The Neptune is where Nanako comes from and she just has to make her research facility in Primp for plot purposes
[13:04:21] <Keiji> Yep
[13:04:22] <Keiji> Exactly.#
[13:04:40] <Keiji> Well, not in Primp but in the fused world of worlds
[13:06:01] <Chao> So would the Wars world be called the Wars World or Gaias
[13:07:36] <Keiji> honestly I think each World should be given a name
[13:07:50] <Keiji> We have Gaias, Primp, and Neptune :I
[13:08:03] <Chao> and (the) Abyss
[13:08:23] <Keiji> that doesn't count, since it's not a source world
[13:08:26] <Chao> So we still need names for the Madou world and the Puyo 7 world
[13:08:36] <Keiji> hmm
[13:08:43] <Keiji> The Abyss wouldn't get merged
[13:08:58] <Keiji> But yeah we need names for those
[13:09:02] <Keiji> Are there any clues of official names?
[13:09:31] <Chao> Idk about the Madou World, but Puyo 7 is heavily based on the real world; particularly Japan and the seven wonders of the world
[13:10:00] <Keiji> Maybe they base it off a named real place?
[13:10:08] <Keiji> (more specific than "Japan")
[13:11:35] <Keiji> Explanation for Puyo in "Japan" in MPFW: It's the effects of the other worlds as they begin to merge~
[13:12:08] <Chao> Maybe we could call it "Suzuri" since the "Suzurian School/Shopping district" is the main location where the events of Puyo 7 take place
[13:12:18] <Keiji> Yes plz
[13:12:28] <Keiji> So that leaves only Madou world
[13:13:04] <Keiji> If we're including the Neptune, should we call Lagnus' homeworld Saturn? :P (Not that that's the Madou world)]
[13:13:23] <Chao> Sure. Not like it has an official name anyway and Saturn is cool
[13:13:51] <Keiji> <s>then MAdou is MArs</s>
[13:14:44] <Chao> Madou world should be something unimaginative since Compile saved all their good names for Puyo Wars lmao
[13:15:30] <Keiji> Apparently Madou means Puzzle
[13:15:52] <Keiji> It also means evil, and "mara realm" (whatever that is), and coral
[13:16:15] <Keiji> Let me see what the kanji are...
[13:17:05] <Keiji> Wikipedia says Sorcery
[13:17:24] <Chao> Well the title literally means "Story of Sorcery"
[13:17:30] <Keiji> yes that's what i meant
[13:17:56] <Keiji> so if we have
[13:18:08] <Keiji> Mars Neptune and Saturn, and Gaias Primp and Suzuri
[13:18:15] <Keiji> I wonder if we can give planet names to the latter three :P
[13:18:27] <Keiji> Suzuri would obviously be Earth
[13:19:30] <Keiji> If we ignore Mercury, Uranus and Pluto that leaves...
[13:19:42] <Keiji> Venus and Jupiter
[13:19:48] <Keiji> >Jupiter
[13:19:49] <Keiji> lol
[13:19:55] <Chao> yeah :y
[13:20:49] <Keiji> Maybe it would be better to have Madou world as Venus (closer to the SUN!) and Gaias as Mars
[13:21:02] <Keiji> Leaving Primp as Jupiter, which is surprisingly fitting
[13:21:09] <Keiji> Ecolo etc.
[13:21:16] <Chao> lawl
[13:21:37] <Chao> or maybe Madou should just be named Madou because it's totally original
[13:21:41] <Chao> *shot*
[13:21:45] <Keiji> Yes, I like Madou=Venus Gaias=Mars better than Madou=Mars Gaias=Venus
[13:21:47] <Keiji> also
[13:21:52] <Keiji> theme naming, duh :P
[13:22:07] <Keiji> So as well as the six planets that combine to form one
[13:22:18] <Keiji> you have Whitespace (white) and the Abyss (black)
[13:22:47] <Keiji> Which have their interesting connections, e.g. Marcus sending Ekoro's clones from the Abyss into Whitespace to turn them into spiders
[13:23:06] <Keiji> If we're going colors
[13:23:09] <Keiji> Earth=Green obviously
[13:23:11] <Keiji> Neptune=Blue
[13:23:14] <Keiji> Venus=Yellow
[13:23:21] <Keiji> Mars=Red
[13:23:25] <Keiji> Jupiter=Purple
[13:23:32] <Keiji> Saturn=???
[13:23:37] <Chao> Orange
[13:23:40] <Keiji> Yep.
[13:23:40] <Chao> lol
[13:23:56] <Keiji> I was gonna say Orange, but I wanted to hype it.
[13:25:19] <Keiji> To spread the hues out a bit better, it would be a deep Green, a light Blue, a deep Purple, a dark Red, a bright Orange... and a normal Yellow. Because Yellow=Madou=Unimaginative=Normal
[13:25:20] <Keiji> :P
[13:26:13] <Keiji> By hues, the planets go Mars-Saturn-Venus-Earth-Neptune-Jupiter... or 4-6-2-3-7-5
[13:26:51] <Keiji> Not particularly patternful.
[13:26:57] <Keiji> It doesn't even match the magic Sonic 1 Beta pattern.
[13:27:27] <Chao> So does the game terminate at SHAME's ending then? Because the Gathering in the RP assumed the planets weren't all merged and that Ecolo could destroy them individually.
[13:27:40] <Keiji> No, I told you, you can control the merginess.
[13:27:52] <Chao> oh
[13:27:57] <Chao> rihgt
[13:28:17] <Keiji> Because that has to do with metatime
[13:28:26] <Keiji> And Twos can control that
[13:28:41] <Chao> Fake Arle :3
[13:28:47] <Keiji> Yes.
[13:28:50] <Keiji> SHE UNMERGES THE PLANETS.
[13:28:57] <Keiji> Before destroying them.
[13:29:04] <Chao> "The planets are merged? Too bad. I'll just be unmerge these now k thnx bai"
[13:29:07] <Keiji> LOL
[13:29:17] <Keiji> oh yeah
[13:29:21] <Keiji> that's a great idea btw
[13:29:23] <Keiji> I was thinking
[13:29:30] <Keiji> that you'd unlock this ability somehow
[13:29:35] <Keiji> but now it's so obvious
[13:29:39] <Keiji> at the end of the game
[13:29:53] <Keiji> when "Fake" Arle is confronted by Eldora
[13:30:05] <Keiji> YOU GET TO BE "FAKE" ARLE.
[13:30:13] <Chao> :D
[13:30:27] <Keiji> And what with all the Arle recolors, for Doppel, Dark, Zeta and "Fake"
[13:31:01] <Keiji> And going on how I mentioned the "perfect" "canon" Arle vs "hopeless" "fake" Arle
[13:31:11] <Keiji> After they combine?
[13:31:18] <Keiji> Ultimate Arle, complete with Hyper Sonic palette cycle.s
[13:31:20] <Keiji> *cycles.
[13:31:51] <Chao> Satan: Ooooh, rainbow Arle to go with her DIAMONDS
[13:32:10] <Keiji> ARLE GOT ALL PLANETARY HEARTS
[13:32:15] <Keiji> NOW ARLE CAN BECOME ULTIMATE ARLE
[13:32:37] <Chao> Ultimate Arle and Red Amitie
[13:32:39] <Chao> epic duo
[13:32:47] <Keiji> wat
[13:33:02] <Keiji> oh yeah
[13:33:09] <Keiji> There was that Omega/Red Amitie thing wasn't there
[13:33:40] <Keiji> ISTR Omega dumped half the Ones powers into Red Amitie
[13:33:42] <Chao> All the costumes from 20th besides Strange Klug and Human Ecolo are all super forms in CW
[13:33:45] <Keiji> Who got the other half of the powers?
[13:33:59] <Keiji> I don't remember, somehow
[13:34:14] <Chao> Idk who got the other half if Amitie only got half of them
[13:34:18] <Keiji> Carby!Satan is never super form
[13:34:22] <Keiji> it's too silly
[13:34:38] <Chao> I thought everybody but Eltia got demoted after SHAME and Amitie and Omega were the only ones left
[13:34:38] <Keiji> He deserves a much better super form
[13:34:47] <Keiji> Ah
[13:34:51] <Keiji> Omega must have been the other half then
[13:34:55] <Keiji> Yes that makes sense
[13:35:15] <Keiji> she absorbed Zeta (and other clones?) and made Amitie destroy the Orb and absorb everyone in it
[13:35:35] <Keiji> However...
[13:35:40] <Keiji> Can we do a massive retcon?
[13:35:46] <Keiji> Replace Omega
[13:35:48] <Keiji> with Theta./
[13:35:56] <Chao> I thought there was gonna be some retconning going around anyway
[13:35:57] <Keiji> Then you get Arle-Amitie-Ringo.
[13:36:03] <Chao> Yes good
[13:36:15] <Chao> And I guess Daichi with Neo Angol (if that even counts)
[13:36:31] <Keiji> Neo Angol is disturbingly ugly
[13:36:39] <Keiji> Original Angol is bettter
[13:36:40] <Keiji> -t
[13:36:44] <Chao> ahfjkahsg
[13:36:47] <Keiji> ?
[13:36:55] <Chao> That's just his Synthetic Biology form
[13:37:05] <Chao> Angol's final boss form isn't pretty either
[13:37:10] <Keiji> Hm, true
[13:37:34] <Keiji> Are you saying there should be one ultimate for each planet?
[13:38:30] <Chao> There can be. Arle-Amitie-Ringo is good enough, but we could also make a Daichi and an original character ultimate for period 5
[13:38:50] <Keiji> Well, silly
[13:39:06] <Keiji> Eldora is way more ultimate candidate than Daichi or Angol.
[13:39:26] <Keiji> But perhaps Kanon should be the one who gets ultimate form
[13:39:35] <Chao> Loli!Kanon
[13:39:40] <Keiji> Yes
[13:39:41] <Keiji> We hardly ever see her power after all
[13:39:48] <Keiji> Hidden powers are always the most powerful
[13:40:38] <Keiji> Lagnus deserves an Ultimate form, of Saturn obviously
[13:40:46] <Chao> Yes pls
[13:40:51] <Keiji> Also, of course, we need some way to prevent Saturn's destruction.
[13:41:18] <Keiji> And it goes without saying that Nanako gets an ultimate form. :P
[13:41:31] <Chao> Perhaps at the end, Eldora restores Saturn and you can go there for post-ending optional dungeons and side quests?
[13:42:49] <Keiji> Or rather
[13:42:57] <Keiji> Each planet's a story, as I mentioned.
[13:43:14] <Keiji> Saturn's story is a retelling of the original media, with some twists and the ability to NOT have it destroyed.
[13:44:51] <Chao> Maodu would follow the timeline, Gaias would basically be a retelling of Puyo Wars with the twist ending made by Fake Arle's meddling. Primp would basically be a twisted retelling as well.
[13:45:12] <Chao> Suzuri would kind of have to be altered a little though since Puyo 7 doesn't actually happen in our timeline
[13:45:17] <Keiji> Yeah, Seven would be a retelling with the twist right at the start
[13:45:30] <Keiji> All the stories should happen before the merge really
[13:45:34] <Keiji> and leading into it
[13:45:39] <Keiji> Neptune would be Project Nanako.
[13:45:47] <Keiji> This is actually a really great idea
[13:45:55] <Keiji> Because I always struggled with fleshing out Nanako's story
[13:46:08] <Keiji> But here we can make an epic game where it's only a small part of a bigger universe
[13:46:16] <Keiji> And then Nanako's story is more than big enough.
[13:47:57] <Chao> We should also give all the old "Arcs" names too
[13:48:05] <Keiji> Hm?
[13:48:08] <Keiji> What, from the RP?
[13:48:18] <Chao> So each chapter in the game has a nice title
[13:48:20] <Keiji> They are going to get rejigged like crazy you know
[13:48:25] <Chao> I know
[13:48:31] <Keiji> So let's not bother with that yet
[13:49:03] <Keiji> ...hm
[13:49:10] <Keiji> Does White Feli have anything to do with Whitespace?
[13:49:15] <Keiji> I know she was in there for some reason
[13:49:56] <Chao> She took Angol and Lemres there to find Marcus and Gypsum, but she ended up rescuing Daichi from Fake Arle instead and joined with Nanako's group to find Marcus and Gypsum afterwords.
[13:50:42] <Keiji> Oh
[13:50:51] <Keiji> It's just
[13:50:59] <Keiji> If we're making a Heaven/Hell comparison
[13:51:08] <Keiji> Abyss may be Hell but Whitespace is definitely not Heaven
[13:51:20] <Keiji> Heaven is where the gods from Puyo Wars are
[13:51:30] <Chao> Right lol
[13:51:45] <Keiji> In fact, that's not entirely accurate
[13:53:18] <Chao> Abyss = Hell, Limboseum and Whitespace = Limbo? Realm of Gods = Heaven?
[13:53:36] <Keiji> Abyss isn't really Hell either.
[13:53:48] <Keiji> Limboseum is just a fake Whitespace :u
[13:54:14] <Chao> Made by Fake Arle for fake people's spirits to rot in fake limbo
[13:54:18] <Keiji> Indeed
[13:54:29] <Keiji> And the Realm of Gods is the Realm of Gods, not necessarily Heaven.
[13:54:42] <Keiji> Heaven is subjective, basically.
[13:54:49] <Keiji> So let's not go there XD
[13:54:53] <Chao> yeah
[13:55:15] <Keiji> If we're picturing it though, the Abyss should definitely be below with the Realm of Gods aboev.
[13:55:18] <Keiji> *above
[13:55:25] <Keiji> and Whitespace and Limboseum can just be
[13:55:27] <Keiji> off somewhere else
[13:56:37] <Chao> So what else do we need to sort out
[13:57:50] <Keiji> ...well
[13:58:00] <Keiji> for the purpose of getting this thing made
[13:58:20] <Keiji> I'm willing to have it be 2D with traditional 4-directional sprites :p
[13:58:35] <Chao> I see
[13:58:56] <Keiji> Although if it took off any time I'd love to see it redone the way I truly imagined it
[13:59:04] <Chao> Yeah
[13:59:12] <Keiji> ...I hope you didn't miss the pun
[13:59:29] <Chao> Sonic the way you truly imagined it
[13:59:34] <Keiji> Indeed
[13:59:44] <Chao> http://cw.nanako.cc/wiki/User:Chao/Villain_Template Also sprites like these perse?
[13:59:57] <Keiji> Yes.
[14:00:00] <Keiji> RPG Maker style sprites.
[14:00:40] <Chao> I've actually been making sprites like that for more than just all these villains
[14:00:49] <Keiji> I wonder whether we should have an Ultimate Ultimate.
[14:01:23] <Keiji> We've seen Lagnus!Arle already, so that's a start.
[14:01:43] <Keiji> It's easy to add Nanako's crystals to that.
[14:01:56] <Keiji> and Ringo's magic and awesome attitude
[14:02:27] <Keiji> Kanon would contribute HIDDEN POWERS.
[14:02:32] <Keiji> Not sure about Amitie.
[14:02:47] <Keiji> Any ideas on that front? :P
[14:02:53] <Keiji> ...
[14:02:56] <Keiji> EPIC PUYO HAT.
[14:03:07] <Chao> Yeah her hat changes shape
[14:03:14] <Keiji> ALL OUR POWERS COMBINED
[14:03:23] <Chao> plus she's kind of fulfilling the Magic Girl trope with her staff and magic coat
[14:03:35] <Keiji> I think that would pretty much qualify as a three
[14:03:45] <Keiji> but that's as much as you're getting metalevel wise
[14:03:53] <Keiji> ultimate ultimate would just be insane
[14:04:10] <Keiji> still, I am really liking it as a postpostgame idea
[14:04:32] <Keiji> I wonder what kind of gameplay would be required for that
[14:05:05] <Keiji> you'd have to play all the backstories
[14:05:09] <Keiji> then CW
[14:05:26] <Keiji> then all the "ultimate" forming stories
[14:05:33] <Keiji> and then one last combined story
[14:05:35] <Chao> http://www.iaza.com/work/120912C/iaza14688399972900.png
[14:05:41] <Keiji> That sounds like a good plan actually
[14:05:56] <Keiji> 6 in any order, then 1 that combines them
[14:06:01] <Keiji> then the same again for ultimates
[14:06:06] <Chao> Looks like translating Puyo Wars is now mandatory for CW
[14:06:36] <Keiji> Not to mention Lagnus' stuff.
[14:06:43] <Chao> yeah
[14:06:43] <Keiji> Also nice sprites!
[14:06:56] <Chao> Thanks
[14:06:59] <Keiji> Who's top right?
[14:07:07] <Chao> Rin
[14:07:12] <Keiji> lol
[14:07:20] <Keiji> he's tiny
[14:07:29] <Keiji> actually
[14:07:36] <Keiji> can you name them all just so I don't have to ask
[14:07:36] <Keiji> :P
[14:08:44] <Chao> Top: Sho, Eldora, Arle, Amitie, Ringo, Daichi, Sig, Rin Middle: Alpha, Beta, Zeta, Theta Bottom: Angol, Doppel, Fake/Dark Arle, Strange Klug, Satan, Ecolo, Marcus
[14:08:56] <Chao> *Witch between Sig and Rin
[14:10:03] <Keiji> Ringo/Theta look weird.
[14:10:10] <Chao> I know
[14:10:18] <Keiji> Eldora is beautiful
[14:10:42] <Keiji> Witch looks shrunk (like Rin)
[14:10:52] <Chao> Yeah I noticed that too
[14:11:03] <Chao> I think Witch and Ringo need to be adjusted a little
[14:11:08] <Keiji> Try for a constant feet-chin height
[14:11:20] <Chao> Not sure about Rin since I imagined him being a little shorter than most of them
[14:11:26] <Keiji> Yes
[14:11:37] <Keiji> But at that scale even one pixel makes too much difference
[14:11:49] <Chao> I see
[14:13:54] <Chao> Actually I remember I was thinking about making the Rin sprite a little taller, so yeah I think I'll do that too
[14:14:52] <Chao> But those are some of the ones I made in my time recently. So I'll clean some of them up later
[14:14:56] <Keiji> In any case
[14:15:03] <Keiji> There is a problem with this game
[14:15:05] <Keiji> and that's the number six
[14:15:09] <Keiji> it should be period 5
[14:15:23] <Chao> Yeah
[14:15:46] <Keiji> The easiest way to do that
[14:15:55] <Keiji> is to not prevent Lagnus' world being destroyecd
[14:15:56] <Keiji> -c
[14:16:02] <Chao> I was gonna say that lao
[14:16:05] <Chao> *lmao
[14:16:24] <Keiji> and then Lagnus' Ultimate form counts as the Gaias one, because we know Lagnus had a lot to do with Gaias
[14:16:34] <Keiji> Kanon doesn't need an Ultimate form in that sense
[14:16:38] <Keiji> BECAUSE SHE IS FREAKING KANON.
[14:16:41] <Keiji> SHE IS ALREADY ULTIMATE.
[14:16:48] <Chao> Yeaah exactly lol
[14:17:09] <Keiji> So yay, we just made Period 5 work again :3
[14:17:14] <Chao> :3
[14:17:38] <Keiji> It also means less work figuring out Lagnus' backstory, though I will kinda miss having that...
[14:17:51] <Keiji> I don't really want to shoehorn it into Gaias either
[14:17:58] <Keiji> otherwise we end up with like 3 backstories over there
[14:18:05] <Keiji> (Wars, Lagnus', and the PGoGs)
[14:18:35] <Chao> We could have a log in the game somewhere the player can read about Lagnus' backstory?
[14:18:50] <Keiji> that does the opposite to what I wanted lol
[14:19:01] <Keiji> it means we have to bother researching it but it doens't become gameplay lol
[14:19:46] <Chao> Or maybe a playable flashback instead of being with the backstories of the otther planets. Or maybe make it a Madou story instead since Lagnus is a Madou character despite his heavy ties to Gaias
[14:20:02] <Keiji> Yes true
[14:20:15] <Keiji> Make it part of the Madou story
[14:20:56] <Keiji> The events of 15th and 20th would take place in Suzuri I think
[14:21:12] <Keiji> no that's backwards
[14:21:15] <Keiji> 15th is before 7
[14:21:19] <Keiji> So shove 15th into Fever
[14:21:20] <Chao> Actually 15th and 20th take place in Primp, but they're not really canon anyway.
[14:21:21] <Keiji> and 20th into Suzuri
[14:21:29] <Keiji> What happens in 20th anyway?
[14:21:31] <Keiji> ~I forget
[14:22:36] <Chao> Ringo, Maguro, Risukuma Witch and Ecolo are sent to Primp like the Madou characters were in 15th and it eventually results in Satan and Ecolo hatching some hairbrained scheme for whatever, thus the final pair deathmatch that results in Ringo, Maguro, Risukuma, and Ecolo going back to where they came from
[14:22:52] <Chao> Ecolo suffers from amnesia most of the game
[14:23:01] <Keiji> Can it be flipped so that the other characters go to Suzuri instaed?
[14:23:14] <Chao> Probably lol
[14:23:18] <Keiji> Awesome
[14:24:31] <Chao> And all the other games happen per the time line
[14:24:41] <Keiji> actually
[14:25:02] <Keiji> I want to have each storyline happen simultaneously or otherwise with disregard to the relative times between them
[14:25:25] <Keiji> we should silently remove Arle from her positions in the Fever and Suzuri worlds
[14:25:39] <Keiji> because there's plenty of her to go round in Madou and CW
[14:26:18] <Chao> Dark Arle can't be in PP7's modified story anyway because "Fake" Arle is basically her replacement in the CW story.
[14:26:26] <Keiji> ah yeah
[14:26:31] <Keiji> Dark Arle is always a problem
[14:26:37] <Keiji> Remind me
[14:26:42] <Keiji> how early do you learn of her in 7
[14:27:09] <Chao> In Act 3, when she starts stalking Ringo and Amitie as they go to play against the 7 Madou characters and open Ecolo's space warp
[14:27:38] <Keiji> ...we can't have the 7 Madou characters in there either.
[14:27:54] <Keiji> Suzuri is pretty void of characters original to it, actually.
[14:28:01] <Chao> It is
[14:28:11] <Chao> Ringo, Maguro, and Risu are the only ones
[14:28:20] <Chao> Ecolo wanders all worlds, so he doesn't count
[14:28:21] <Keiji> I think Mikki would be a good replacement for Arle in Fever, but as for 7...
[14:28:30] <Keiji> also no
[14:28:39] <Keiji> Ecolo would stick to Suzuri until the worlds began merging
[14:28:51] <Keiji> or rather
[14:28:52] <Keiji> i should say
[14:29:00] <Keiji> until the worlds merging got to a particular point
[14:29:54] <Chao> The problem with Puyo 7 is that the CW story disregards pretty much all of it lol.
[14:30:09] <Keiji> BUT RINGO
[14:30:48] <Chao> Ringo and Ecolo and techically Fake Arle are the largest derivitaves from it
[14:31:28] <Keiji> We broke the perfect period 5 again ;_;
[14:31:41] <Keiji> Now how do we fix it
[14:31:58] <Chao> By making a drastically different version of Puyo 7's story?
[14:32:12] <Keiji> That would defeat the purpose wouldn't it
[14:32:24] <Chao> True I guess
[14:32:48] <Chao> but if you want to remove Arle and the Madou characters it becomes a problem telling it the way it was in the game too
[14:33:10] * Keiji reloaded the client
[14:33:16] <Keiji> Hm
[14:33:44] <Chao> Unless Ecolo disguises himself as a prophet or something and tells Klug to tell Ringo to visit the seven wonders to make his warp bigger.
[14:34:19] <Chao> I dunno.
[14:35:40] <Chao> But alot of 7's story relies on the presence of pretty much everyone apart from Skeleton T
[14:36:10] <Keiji> 7 was supposed to be based on the real orld
[14:36:23] <Keiji> That's why they struggled with it lol
[14:36:30] <Chao> lol
[14:36:41] <Keiji> And that's why we are too
[14:36:50] <Chao> Even though in the real world you can't take a train to the bermuda triangle
[14:36:55] <Keiji> lol
[14:39:06] <Chao> But yeah
[14:40:25] <Keiji> Perhaps it would be best to warp it the other way, so that Ringo, Maguro, Risu and Ecolo get warped to the Fever world and we forget all about Suzuri
[14:40:38] <Keiji> But there's still the problem of Ecolo's Possessor
[14:41:29] <Chao> Ekoro is possessed by Ecolo, he causes chaos in other dimensions for 600 years, and then lands in Primp to fuck around with Ringo until CW begins.
[14:42:10] <Keiji> also it'd be Human!Ecolo
[14:42:21] <Keiji> also wrong way round
[14:42:22] <Keiji> :P
[14:42:32] <Keiji> Ecolo is possessed by Ekoro, right?
[14:42:42] <Chao> Not really, since Human!Ecolo is batshit insane and is fake Arle's minion
[14:42:57] <Keiji> No
[14:43:03] <Keiji> Human!Ecolo in Fever
[14:43:30] <Keiji> would be batshit insane yes, but wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as when he becomes fake Arle's minion
[14:43:50] <Keiji> it'd be more humorous, surely
[14:45:09] <Chao> Ekoro, the benevolent one, is possessed by Ecolo 600 years prior to CW, and is only freed when Black Sig hydrangeas the fuck out of Blob!Ecolo.
[14:45:21] <Chao> Ekoro then possesses Omega
[14:45:34] <Chao> and makes her absorb most of the clones for the finale of SHAME
[14:45:48] <Chao> And then continues to use her body until the end
[14:47:16] <Chao> Unless you retcon that entirely, both of them exist at least 600 years before the main story, and both of them have the ability to traverse from world to world before they begin merging.
[14:48:14] <Chao> However he doesn't side with Fake Arle until before the Ekoro Arc begins.
[14:53:29] <Chao> But yeah Human!Ecolo + Ekoro = Blob!Ecolo (who calls himself Ekoro just to piss you off)