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Keiji at 10:40, 21 August 2011

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	== The older element systems ==		== The older element systems ==
-	*[http://~~kawachan~~.~~org~~/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]	+	*[http://cw.nanako.cc/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]
-	*[http://~~kawachan~~.~~org~~/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]	+	*[http://cw.nanako.cc/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]

Keiji: Automatically converted v1.5 gallery to v1.6 filebox

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Automatically converted v1.5 gallery to v1.6 filebox

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	<[#ontology [kind class] [cats Affinity]]>		<[#ontology [kind class] [cats Affinity]]>
	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. They're used in all sorts of different ways in [[video game]] and [[Zero no Tsukaima\|sometimes]] [[anime]] series, so [[Keiji]] was forever trying to come up with a universal, complete system. Then he played [[Epic Battle Fantasy 3]] and realized that its element system is freaking ''brilliant''. With that said, we'll adopt it~!		An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. They're used in all sorts of different ways in [[video game]] and [[Zero no Tsukaima\|sometimes]] [[anime]] series, so [[Keiji]] was forever trying to come up with a universal, complete system. Then he played [[Epic Battle Fantasy 3]] and realized that its element system is freaking ''brilliant''. With that said, we'll adopt it~!

Keiji at 23:48, 10 February 2011

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	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. They're used in all sorts of different ways in [[video game]] and [[Zero no Tsukaima\|sometimes]] [[anime]] series, so [[Keiji]] was forever trying to come up with a universal, complete system. Then he played [[Epic Battle Fantasy 3]] and realized that its element system is freaking ''brilliant''. With that said, we'll adopt it~!		An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. They're used in all sorts of different ways in [[video game]] and [[Zero no Tsukaima\|sometimes]] [[anime]] series, so [[Keiji]] was forever trying to come up with a universal, complete system. Then he played [[Epic Battle Fantasy 3]] and realized that its element system is freaking ''brilliant''. With that said, we'll adopt it~!

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	*[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]		*[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]
	*[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]		*[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]
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Keiji: lol, fail

2010-10-06T13:25:33Z

lol, fail

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	== The older element systems ==		== The older element systems ==
-	[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]	+	*[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]
-	[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]	+	*[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]

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Keiji at 13:25, 6 October 2010

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-	~~{{Domain\|~~[[~~May 3~~]], [[~~2009~~]]\|~~Metaphysics}}~~	+	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. They're used in all sorts of different ways in [[video game]] and [[Zero no Tsukaima\|sometimes]] [[anime]] series, so [[Keiji]] was forever trying to come up with a universal, complete system. Then he played [[Epic Battle Fantasy 3]] and realized that its element system is freaking ''brilliant''. With that said, we'll adopt it~!

-	~~An ''~~'element~~'''~~, ~~sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an"~~ [[~~affinity~~]], ~~is a~~ [[~~metaphysical~~]] ~~alignment. Element systems are not a trivial matter~~, and ~~this page discusses Keiji's latest attempt to create a "complete" system.~~	+	== EBF3's surprisingly fitting 10-element system ==
		+	The 10 elements are grouped into three pairs of two, and four standalones. These are:
		+	*[[Fire element\|Fire]] vs [[Ice element\|Ice]]
		+	*[[Earth element\|Earth]] vs [[Thunder element\|Thunder]]
		+	*[[Holy element\|Holy]] vs [[Dark element\|Dark]]
		+	*[[Water element\|Water]], [[Wind element\|Wind]], [[Poison element\|Poison]] and [[Bomb element\|Bomb]]

-	~~== The original 16-~~element ~~system ==~~	+	In general, for each pair of elements, characters are resistant to their own element and are weak to the other element of the pair, but as always there are a few [[exception]]s. The standalone elements do not have much of a pattern other than [[common sense]].
-	[~~http://kawachan~~.~~org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the old system~~]	+

-	~~== The new 12~~-~~element system ==~~	+	Many games use fire-vs-water and earth-vs-wind pairings, but EBF3 replaces water and wind with the much more badass ice and thunder, leaving water and wind to the lameness they really are.
-	~~Perhaps surprisingly~~, ~~it seems~~ the ~~way~~ to ~~improve~~ the ~~system was to ''remove'' elements instead of adding them~~. The original system suffers from having almost every element apart from the classic four being extremely arbitrary. The new system organizes elements into six overlapping ''rings'' covering the edges of a [[cuboctahedron]].	+
-	*Ring 1: [[Fire element\|Fire]], [[Lava element\|Lava]], [[Earth element\|Earth]], [[Water element\|Water]], [[Ice element\|Ice]], [[Air element\|Air]]<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>	+
-	*Ring 2: Fire, [[Electric element\|Electric]], [[Ghost element\|Ghost]], Water, [[Poison element\|Poison]], [[Dragon element\|Dragon]]<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>	+
-	*Ring 3: [[Psychic element\|Psychic]], Ghost, Earth, [[Nature element\|Nature]], Dragon, Air<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>	+
-	*Ring 4: Psychic, Ice, Poison, Nature, Lava, Electric<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>	+

-	~~Another way to organize the elements is like~~ this. The primary condition is that any permutation of the lines below results in a pair of elements that have no ring in common. Derived from that are the observations that inside each pair of brackets are a pair of opposite elements, and the elements in the left-hand pair have absolutely nothing to do with those in the right-hand pair.	+	Hopefully everything can be fit in this time!
-	*(Fire or Water) and (Psychic or Nature)	+
-	*(Lava or Ice) and (Dragon or Ghost)	+
-	*(Earth or Air) and (Electric or Poison)	+

-	~~One prime advantage of this system is that it doesn't class ''Null'' as an~~ element ~~in its own right.~~ [~~[Null~~ element~~\|Null~~]~~] is simply lack of element, and is located in~~ the ~~center of the three~~-~~dimensional cuboctahedron.~~	+	== The older element systems ==
		+	[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the really old 16-element system]
		+	[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5677 Info on the not so old 12-element system]

	[[Category:Elements\| ]]		[[Category:Elements\| ]]

Keiji at 11:06, 18 January 2010

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	{{Domain\|[[May 3]], [[2009]]\|Metaphysics}}		{{Domain\|[[May 3]], [[2009]]\|Metaphysics}}

-	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. Element systems are not a trivial matter, and this page discusses Keiji's ~~two attempts so far~~ to create a "complete" system.	+	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. Element systems are not a trivial matter, and this page discusses Keiji's latest attempt to create a "complete" system.

	== The original 16-element system ==		== The original 16-element system ==

Keiji: /* The new 12-element system */

2010-01-18T11:05:30Z

The new 12-element system

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	*(Earth or Air) and (Electric or Poison)		*(Earth or Air) and (Electric or Poison)

-	One prime advantage of this system is that it doesn't class ''Null'' as an element in its own right. Null is simply lack of element, and is located in the center of the three-dimensional cuboctahedron.	+	One prime advantage of this system is that it doesn't class ''Null'' as an element in its own right. [[Null element\|Null]] is simply lack of element, and is located in the center of the three-dimensional cuboctahedron.

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Keiji at 11:05, 18 January 2010

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	== The original 16-element system ==		== The original 16-element system ==
-	~~There are four ''primary elements'' (or ''tier 1 elements''), which can be discretely combined to produce the sixteen ''pure elements'' or continuously combined to produce any ''compound element''~~. ~~These can be grouped by ''tier'', and can also be represented by a four-bit binary number~~.	+	[http://kawachan.org/w/index.php?title=Element&oldid=5258 Info on the old system]
-		+
-	==~~= Elements by tier ===~~	+
-	*Tier 0: [[Null]]	+
-	*Tier 1: [[Fire]], [[Water]], [[Earth]], [[Air]]	+
-	*Tier 2: [[Ghost]], [[Lava]], [[Dragon]], [[Nature]], [[Ice]], [[Force]]	+
-	*Tier 3: [[Psychic]], [[Poison]], [[Steel]], [[Electric]]	+
-	*Tier 4: [[Void]]	+
-		+
-	~~=== Elements by binary representation ===~~	+
-	*0000: [[Null]]	+
-	*0001: [[Fire]]	+
-	*0010: [[Water]]	+
-	*0011: [[Ghost]]	+
-	*0100: [[Earth]]	+
-	*0101: [[Lava]]	+
-	*0110: [[Nature]]	+
-	*0111: [[Steel]]	+
-	*1000: [[Air]]	+
-	*1001: [[Dragon]]	+
-	*1010: [[Ice]]	+
-	*1011: [[Electric]]	+
-	*1100: [[Force]]	+
-	*1101: [[Psychic]]	+
-	*1110: [[Poison]]	+
-	*1111: [[Void]]	+

	== The new 12-element system ==		== The new 12-element system ==
	Perhaps surprisingly, it seems the way to improve the system was to ''remove'' elements instead of adding them. The original system suffers from having almost every element apart from the classic four being extremely arbitrary. The new system organizes elements into six overlapping ''rings'' covering the edges of a [[cuboctahedron]].		Perhaps surprisingly, it seems the way to improve the system was to ''remove'' elements instead of adding them. The original system suffers from having almost every element apart from the classic four being extremely arbitrary. The new system organizes elements into six overlapping ''rings'' covering the edges of a [[cuboctahedron]].
-	*Ring 1: Fire, Lava, Earth, Water, Ice, Air<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>	+	*Ring 1: [[Fire element\|Fire]], [[Lava element\|Lava]], [[Earth element\|Earth]], [[Water element\|Water]], [[Ice element\|Ice]], [[Air element\|Air]]<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>
-	*Ring 2: Fire, Electric, Ghost, Water, Poison, Dragon<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>	+	*Ring 2: Fire, [[Electric element\|Electric]], [[Ghost element\|Ghost]], Water, [[Poison element\|Poison]], [[Dragon element\|Dragon]]<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>
-	*Ring 3: Psychic, Ghost, Earth, Nature, Dragon, Air<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>	+	*Ring 3: [[Psychic element\|Psychic]], Ghost, Earth, [[Nature element\|Nature]], Dragon, Air<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>
	*Ring 4: Psychic, Ice, Poison, Nature, Lava, Electric<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>		*Ring 4: Psychic, Ice, Poison, Nature, Lava, Electric<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>

Keiji at 01:41, 18 January 2010

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	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. Element systems are not a trivial matter, and this page discusses Keiji's two attempts so far to create a "complete" system.		An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. Element systems are not a trivial matter, and this page discusses Keiji's two attempts so far to create a "complete" system.

Keiji at 01:41, 18 January 2010

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	{{KeepLeft\|200px\|{{Domain\|[[May 3]], [[2009]]\|Metaphysics}}}}		{{KeepLeft\|200px\|{{Domain\|[[May 3]], [[2009]]\|Metaphysics}}}}

-	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. ~~There~~ are ~~four ''primary elements'' (or ''tier 1 elements'')~~, ~~which can be discretely combined to produce the sixteen~~ '~~'pure elements'' or continuously combined~~ to ~~produce any ''compound element''~~.	+	An '''element''', sometimes incorrectly referred to as "an" [[affinity]], is a [[metaphysical]] alignment. Element systems are not a trivial matter, and this page discusses Keiji's two attempts so far to create a "complete" system.

-	== Elements by tier ==	+	== The original 16-element system ==
		+	There are four ''primary elements'' (or ''tier 1 elements''), which can be discretely combined to produce the sixteen ''pure elements'' or continuously combined to produce any ''compound element''. These can be grouped by ''tier'', and can also be represented by a four-bit binary number.
		+
		+	=== Elements by tier ===
	*Tier 0: [[Null]]		*Tier 0: [[Null]]
	*Tier 1: [[Fire]], [[Water]], [[Earth]], [[Air]]		*Tier 1: [[Fire]], [[Water]], [[Earth]], [[Air]]
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	*Tier 4: [[Void]]		*Tier 4: [[Void]]

-	== Elements by binary representation ==	+	=== Elements by binary representation ===
	*0000: [[Null]]		*0000: [[Null]]
	*0001: [[Fire]]		*0001: [[Fire]]
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	*1111: [[Void]]		*1111: [[Void]]

-	== ~~Series complying with the universal elements~~ ==	+	== The new 12-element system ==
-	*[[Zero no Tsukaima]]	+	Perhaps surprisingly, it seems the way to improve the system was to ''remove'' elements instead of adding them. The original system suffers from having almost every element apart from the classic four being extremely arbitrary. The new system organizes elements into six overlapping ''rings'' covering the edges of a [[cuboctahedron]].
-		+	*Ring 1: Fire, Lava, Earth, Water, Ice, Air<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>
-	~~== Foreign elements ==~~	+	*Ring 2: Fire, Electric, Ghost, Water, Poison, Dragon<span style='color:#888;'>, Fire</span>
-	~~Elements from other element systems can be converted~~ to ~~compound elements along with a fifth dimension for~~ the ~~color (since most non-universal element systems include this in their element~~ system~~). Where individual elements are missed out, this is because they are identical~~ to ~~the pure element of the same name. In this list, each entry is given either a pure element name (assuming gray color), a color name (assuming null element), or a 5-vector (~~''~~fire~~'', ''~~water~~''~~, ''earth'', ''air'', ''color''), each in~~ the ~~range 0-1 and with ''color'' being 1 for white and 0 for black.~~	+	*Ring 3: Psychic, Ghost, Earth, Nature, Dragon, Air<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>
-		+	*Ring 4: Psychic, Ice, Poison, Nature, Lava, Electric<span style='color:#888;'>, Psychic</span>
-	~~===~~ [[~~Pokémon series\|Pokémon~~]] ~~===~~	+
-	*~~Bug (0.0~~, ~~0.2~~, ~~1.0~~, ~~0.4~~, ~~0.5)~~	+
-	*Dark (Black)	+
-	*Fighting (Force)	+
-	*Flying (Air)	+
-	*~~Grass (Nature)~~	+
-	*Ground (Earth)	+
-	*Normal (Null)	+
-	*Rock (0.2, ~~0.2~~, ~~1.0~~, ~~0.0~~, ~~0.5)~~	+
-		+
-	=~~== [[~~Fire ~~Emblem]] ===~~	+
-	*~~Wind (~~Air)	+
-	*~~Thunder (0.8, 0.~~4, ~~1.0~~, ~~0.0~~, ~~0.5)~~	+
-	*Light (White)	+

-	~~=== [[Golden Sun]] ===~~	+	Another way to organize the elements is like this. The primary condition is that any permutation of the lines below results in a pair of elements that have no ring in common. Derived from that are the observations that inside each pair of brackets are a pair of opposite elements, and the elements in the left-hand pair have absolutely nothing to do with those in the right-hand pair.
-	*~~Wind~~ (Air)	+	*(Fire or Water) and (Psychic or Nature)
		+	*(Lava or Ice) and (Dragon or Ghost)
		+	*(Earth or Air) and (Electric or Poison)

-	~~=== [[Sonic Tarradiddles]] ===~~	+	One prime advantage of this system is that it doesn't class ''Null'' as an element in its own right. Null is simply lack of element, and is located in the center of the three-dimensional cuboctahedron.
-	*Crystal (0.0, 0.~~5, 0.5, 0.3, 0.9)~~	+
-	*Time (0.1, 0.1, 0.1, 0.1, 0.2)	+
-	*Age (0.7, 0.2, 0.7, 0.9, 0.2)	+
-	*Twilight (0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5)	+
-	*Demon (Void)	+

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